To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

Yes, but I could call you equally as "blinkered".

The teaching of history is changing to be told more from the female perspective. I've been studying the Wars of the Roses which is being presented entirely from the point of view of Margaret de Beaufort, who changed the course of history.

There's nothing to stop you doing some research and retelling history in your own way and to future generations. Traditional history which was stories of battles and monarchs barely touches on the lives of the majority - men or women.

What's the point of banging on about injustice of any sort if you're not prepared to take action and change the course of history.

All males are not privileged from birth for goodness sake.

My father (who was very good academically) was brought up by a man who beat him up and told him he would never tolerate him getting an education and denying his working class roots. He should be proud to work shoving coal, just like him.

Fortunately, my father's grandmother - a complete force of nature - stepped in and made sure my father got to make use of his scholarship and got educated.

Later, my father ran away from home and from the abuse. He made a complete success of his life in business, and although he hated his father, he made sure he paid for him to live in a decent home at the end of his life, so he wouldn't have to die alone and in poverty - such was the glory of shoving coal and being poor.

I'm sorry, but for men or women, it's circumstances that dictate our fate but it's up to us to change that and not fall for this stupid narrative that all men are vile and privileged and all women are hapless victims. It's an insult to women. No man can or will make me a victim. End of.

Personally, with ds’s, I promote confidence, ambition, respect for others and a ‘can do’ attitude to life. It would be exactly the same if I had girls. Have to admit if I had a child who in anyway felt that ‘marrying well’ was something to aspire too, I’d feel like I’d failed. Make your own way in life.

@Sirzy ,

But it is about the level of privilege.

Having taught in a private school, I struggle to see the boys being more privileged in most ways. Both sexes have equal university ambitions, both are looking at middle class careers, both expect healthy relationships and, on the whole, to settle down and marry well. I still hear the less academic girls talk of ‘marrying rich’, which I have only heard once from a boy in my entire time teaching.

Boys are still louder and dominate the space in lunchtime and breaks, an area where their size and testosterone gives them privilege. OTOH, teachers tend to favour the girls and they do get away with more. The detention lists were about 4:1 boys/girls. In addition, many would argue that the way we the school system teaches favours the way girls learn, hence them outperforming by a significant margin.

Oh, and ‘toxic masculinity’ is a very popular phrase these days but what is the difference between ‘toxic masculinity’ and just plain old ‘masculinity’? Even if you can clearly see this, a lot of the messaging that boys get in schools (or hear even where schools are careful not to say it) is that they were born with the potential to be ‘toxic’. That is quite a grim message to be giving teens trying to find their identities in the world.

Now, I have also been a governor of a state school with a very different demographic. Many of children depend on their hot free meal as the main meal of the day, many wouldn’t consider university as the next step at all. They are not going home to warm houses or helped with their homework by parents.

If male privilege exists at the upper end of the income and education scale, which I am far from convinced of, and we look at the step analogy. Sex is worth 1cm whereas wealth is worth 1m.

It's important to remember that male privilege and misogyny and toxic masculinity is very often damaging to men too.....

I haven’t seen this at all.
If anything I’d say the opposite is true, there’s a real regression to gender stereotypes where girls are expected to have long hair and wear girl clothes, and to put up with crap behaviour from boys and men.
Same for boys, this reversion to alpha male behaviour and an increase in toxic masculinity.

@notofthisWorld11 ""Always"? Really? Did the Queen of England start lower than the guy outside her palace on a horse"

I don't know much about the Royal Family. But I do know that when QE2 became Queen, Philip couldn't be king and had to stay a prince because kings automatically outrank queens....

Privilege isn’t about each individual though, it’s about the nature of system overall and how society works.

Male Privilage is a thing - but of course it doesn’t mean all males do better than females. It means society treats males more positively on the whole.

Just like being white in this country brings a level of white privilege. Being born into money brings with it privilege. But that doesn’t mean that a wealthy, white male wont still end up struggling in life.

I actually laughed out loud at this. Are you trying to say that men calling each other a slang term for female genitalia as an insult proves misogyny DOESN'T exist?

We're through the looking glass now, people!

This sweeping statement that all males are privileged from birth is taking the biscuit.
Does it or is it just hard for you to understand?
Statements like this are so blinkered
Traditionally, large numbers of them would have died in battle and huge numbers of women died in childbirth or held manual jobs that are now obsolete. and most women worked in non professional jobs or as wage less carers.
comparing male and female experiences will not lead you to the conclusion that women live privileged lives. We have as a sex been disadvantaged not just physically but systematically with social and legal disadvantages that are impossible not to see. The history books are full of male history and male achievement.

"Always"? Really? Did the Queen of England start lower than the guy outside her palace on a horse? Did the majority of university students in this country (female by the way) start lower than their brothers, but just managed to claw their way up somehow? What parent today, in this country, would send their daughter to a worse school than their son or encourage their son to get further education and a career but not their daughter?

Back to the royals (I'm not a monarchist) - the rules of Succession have changed to get rid of inequality between men and women. If Charlotte had been born before George she would be ahead of him now in the line of Succession.

Now to tackle ageism....

Yes, privilege is intersectional. But men always start a step higher than women.

I agree. This sweeping statement that all males are privileged from birth is taking the biscuit.

The main privilege for both genders, as is highlighted above, comes from wealth. You could argue men overall have more wealth - but if you're a woman of independent financial means (which probably means you've also been well educated), you have more choices in life than most people - men or women.

Plenty of men live in poverty. Plenty aren't well-educated. They're not doing as well at school as girls. Traditionally, large numbers of them would have died in battle or held manual jobs that are now obsolete. Suicide is high amongst young men.

People understand today that the patriarchy is toxic, for both men and women but I don't think you can blame men today for the fact it still exists and brand them all as evil - in the same way you can't blame me for the slave trade because I'm white and was born into a nation that made a lot of its wealth from slavery. I oppose modern slavery on every level.

For me, the key to a woman's happiness and success in life it to get as educated as you can; keep learning to keep an open mind and not sink into an insular world of bitterness and regret where men are always going to be bad - and so's your son's girlfriend etc etc

fight hard to be financially independent - key to avoiding abuse and control. If you're the mistress of your own destiny the world is your oyster.

I look at the man who lives next door to me (my age) and know that my life and prospects are infinitely better than his are.

@Voodoohoodoyoudo

But on here when men are being slagged off they are

Cunts
Arseholes
Twats
Wankers

How can you not see the double standards?

Women are called all of the the names above .

Cunts and Twats are particularly misogynistic whether bring used about men or women being vulgar names for female genitals.

Only women get called

drama queens
whiny spoiled princesses

Everyone of these terms of abuse are used to put girls snd women down.

@Voodoohoodoyoudo

“Drama” in itself is quite a gendered word in my view. It’s routinely used on here when a woman stands up for herself. For example: “no need for the drama” in a situation where a husband is being a prick. “Drama” in this context often means “saying no”. The implication is that women and girls shouldn’t say no.

”Drama queen” is obviously gendered. When did you ever hear a man being described as a “drama king”?

You seem not to have given much thought towards this topic, hence the “political correctness gone mad” comment which is the standard riposte of people when they get called on offensive language and are uncomfortable about it. This is not unusual: most people do feel uncomfortable when it’s pointed out to them that they have attitudes which support negative stereotypes. The question is what you do with that discomfort. Do you use it to grow? Or do you bury your head in the sand.

Words do matter though because they hurt people and they erroneously define people. There are words which used to be used to describe people of colour which now are rightly considered beyond the pale and I am sure you don’t use them. It’s a similar process. You may not consider “drama queen” or “psycho bitch” to be gendered but stop and think about why others might before you write it off as “political correctness gone mad”.

If you haven’t taken the trouble to educate yourself on this then maybe start doing so now. Your sons will benefit from a mother who understands the damage these stereotypes do to both men and women.

What's uni got to do with it?

@Voodoohoodoyoudo "Males and females are just as important as each other. I'd that so misogynistic?"

No. It isn't.HTH. (Stands for hope this helps-just in case that's new to you too)

Much like the terms slag, whore and frigid that ARE reserved for women and girls only.
I've even seen the term frigid whore used when speaking of a young woman who dared turn down an encounter with a delightful young man. How does a frigid whore even operate??

Do you not think then in hindsight maybe you aren’t as knowledgeable on the issue as you think then?

you don’t understand why such terms are misogynistic, you don’t know about Andrew Tate yet your online arguing that men are being treated unfairly in favour of women? Maybe instead of being so defensive look into the wider, more complex issue so you can raise your sons to understand the world around them more.

Pussycats have nothing to do with why the term is used.

If you aren’t making progress with the HT complain to the governors.

You didn’t know men calling other men pussies, is rooted in misogyny?! 🤨

@Voodoohoodoyoudo "What about the term 'pussies' which is usually reserved for men only?"

Nope. Don't like that either.