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To hate this current trend that girls should be raised to be fierce and fiery but boys shouldn't??

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Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 08:05

Now I'm not saying one gender is better than the other. But as a mother of sons I feel worried for their future because it seems this notion is currently being pushed that girls can get away with being drama queens but boys need to keep their feelings to themselves and pander to them or they might grow up to be abusive men? What happened to equal rights? I don't condone violence of any sort but this is totally unfair that boys shouldn't be able to do what girls do in terms of sticking up for themselves.

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Butchyrestingface · 11/05/2024 08:28

Voodoohoodoyoudo · 11/05/2024 08:05

Now I'm not saying one gender is better than the other. But as a mother of sons I feel worried for their future because it seems this notion is currently being pushed that girls can get away with being drama queens but boys need to keep their feelings to themselves and pander to them or they might grow up to be abusive men? What happened to equal rights? I don't condone violence of any sort but this is totally unfair that boys shouldn't be able to do what girls do in terms of sticking up for themselves.

Not sure what planet you're living on but it clearly isn't Earth.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 11/05/2024 08:27

Why is this anti girl and women rhetoric on MN coming from? Have we been infiltrated by MRAs?

To answer your question OP, I am raising my children to be confident and share their feelings. I have both a daughter and a son. I don't see or hear anything like you have said. Is it just because there is a lot more on building girls confidence these days and women aren't being meek and compliant? Or because abusive men are being called out for what they are? This is not the same as you described.

TemuSpecialBuy · 11/05/2024 08:27

😅😅😅😅
very good.

you either have room temp IQ or are on a wind up….

i am sure the rape, violent crime and murder stats will be all topsy turvy in 2050…

Noicant · 11/05/2024 08:27

I don’t know anyone who wants their DD to be a drama queen or expect boys to pander to them, sounds awful. I do know many parents who want their daughters to be able to advocate for themselves and not be doormats.

MangshorJhol · 11/05/2024 08:26

I am a fierce and assertive woman. I have never ever been a drama queen.
Not taking BS from men is not being a drama queen. It’s establishing boundaries.

TomeTome · 11/05/2024 08:25

PrincessTeaSet · 11/05/2024 08:18

Well not really unless you don't send them to nursery or school. Children are in school most of their waking hours and the influence of their peers there is pretty strong.

Children aren’t in school most of their waking hours. They are in school (if school age) for 6 or 7 hours a day 5 days a week in term time. The vast majority of their time is outside of school.

Thepeopleversuswork · 11/05/2024 08:25

I don’t recognise any of this and the conflation of being a “drama queen” with being “fierce” suggests you don’t really understand what you’re talking about. You can’t be fierce and a drama queen.

More importantly it also sounds like you don’t understand patriarchy and misogyny. For millennia, men have been the dominant sex and have controlled women physically (often through violence), and financially. Our entire society has been structured to support men’s needs at the expense of women and to position women as the supporting partner who exist to facilitate men. That leaves a huge imprint on women and our relationship with men.

Although there have been advances, men are still socialised to be the dominant sex with women encouraged to make ourselves as diminutive and unthreatening to men as we possibly can. A lot of women still struggle with assertiveness. So it’s not as simple as saying “boys and girls should both be taught to be fierce”.

Boys already are taught to be fierce by every facet of society all the time. Girls tend to have the fierce knocked out of them.

CelesteCunningham · 11/05/2024 08:25

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 11/05/2024 08:22

I didn't see equivalent 'boys can be anything' interesting role models for boys books

That's covered by 99% of literature and media, arts and culture through the history of time.

Exactly.

Comtesse · 11/05/2024 08:24

Mate, what are you on about?

Medschoolmum · 11/05/2024 08:23

Have you always been a misogynist or did this start when you became a mother of sons?

You're talking shit.

Didimum · 11/05/2024 08:23

Your post indicates you have issues surrounding sexism yourself, OP. Assertive does not mean ‘drama queen’, and I’m pretty aghast you used that language. Girls and women have been and are still subjected to enforced and coerced submissiveness for all of history. There is nothing wrong with readdressing the balance and also teaching boys empathy and emotional intelligence. They are certainly not going to learn these lessons in general society without parents actively doing so.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 11/05/2024 08:22

I didn't see equivalent 'boys can be anything' interesting role models for boys books

That's covered by 99% of literature and media, arts and culture through the history of time.

ValueAddedTaxonomy · 11/05/2024 08:21

I don't recognise anything in your OP. I think you have been too much influenced by whatever small internet niche the algorithms happen to be pushing your way.

This is the awful furnace we all live in now. We can't see the world as t is, just some horrible slanted cartoon version of it on social media.

MissyB1 · 11/05/2024 08:21

StarShipControl · 11/05/2024 08:15

Op this is mainly on social media. Don't worry about. Raise your boys to be strong, hardworking, considerate, helpful and independent and they'll do well.

This. But also raise them to talk to you about anything and everything! Be a family that discusses feelings, teach your boy to articulate their feelings. I’ve done this with my boy, he’s 15 now and we have good long chats.
Ignore the current trend for boy bashing. My ds notices it and I have acknowledged it to him, I’ve explained it doesn’t have to affect his life and to ignore it. But it was important to acknowledge his feelings about it.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 11/05/2024 08:20

As long as sexist parents like you continue to bring up boys with views of girls and women such as you have displayed throughout your OP drama queens 🤷‍♀️ then it's even more important girls are brought up to be confident and assertive because just teaching them to be pretty and sparkly fails girls on every level.

TreetopWrappingArea · 11/05/2024 08:20

I have a boy and a girl.. I think you kind of have a point although I don't agree with how you are saying it. I don't really know what you mean by encouraging 'drama queens' pretty sure that behaviour is discouraged in everyone. BUT I did used to feel sorry for my son at primary when there was a lot of 'girls can be anything' and all the 'A mighty girl' type books.

I didn't see equivalent 'boys can be anything' interesting role models for boys books. And I think for feminism to be successful it's men that really need to change - which starts with boys. And not addressing it leaves a void which gets filled by the likes of Andrew Tate.

CountFucula · 11/05/2024 08:19

You lost me at ‘drama queens’.

You sound like a typical mother of sons.
Looking at the world, worrying for them and trying to manage what you can to aid them. Oh WAIT that’s ALL parents.

The fact is it’s still a patriarchal world and your sons are already advantaged. Teach them to enjoy their world and a healthy respect for their privilege instead of modelling an ‘it’s not fair’ attitude along sex and gender differences from the off. Unless you’re looking to raise the next gen Andrew Tate?

PrincessTeaSet · 11/05/2024 08:18

TomeTome · 11/05/2024 08:14

You can raise your children any way you please. You don’t need “societies” permission. You are literally the one who gets to choose. I’ve raised both boys and girls and don’t recognise your dilemma.

Well not really unless you don't send them to nursery or school. Children are in school most of their waking hours and the influence of their peers there is pretty strong.

mambojambodothetango · 11/05/2024 08:18

This is such a stupid question, OP, as all the PP have pointed out. You've been had by the media-created 'culture wars'. The boys are fine.

PrincessTeaSet · 11/05/2024 08:16

In my experience boys tend to be much more assertive and violent from a young age. Girls are very much encouraged to be kind etc. I have one of each.

Mnetcurious · 11/05/2024 08:16

You’ve misunderstood, I think. No one is encouraging girls to be raised as drama queens but to know their own worth and not shrink themselves to appease anyone. Boys ‘keeping their feelings to themselves’ - quite the opposite, we are now (hopefully) bringing up boys to talk about how they feel instead of the ‘boys don’t cry’ mentality of bottling up their emotions only for it to eventually burst out in anger or for them to take their own lives. Certainly the idea is not that boys should be brought up to be men who ‘pander to’ women, or the other way round.

StarShipControl · 11/05/2024 08:15

Op this is mainly on social media. Don't worry about. Raise your boys to be strong, hardworking, considerate, helpful and independent and they'll do well.

TomeTome · 11/05/2024 08:14

You can raise your children any way you please. You don’t need “societies” permission. You are literally the one who gets to choose. I’ve raised both boys and girls and don’t recognise your dilemma.

Marblessolveeverything · 11/05/2024 08:14

Eh nope. I see people raising all children to be assertive, curious and independent.

I see people raising children to wear what they want to try activities or toys that interest them, regardless of sex.

I have two boys, two nieces they all are much more confident and emotionally mature than I remember being. They have friends of both sexes. I see them advocate and care for peers who may have extra help. In short, they give me hope. Age range 10 -16.

I don't recognise your view as being my reality among my peers either.

lotsofdogshere · 11/05/2024 08:13

Drama Queens (girls) keep their feelings to themselves (boys)
where on this planet have you understood this to be the expectation? No where I’ve observed either in schools or in families