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Not to loan my friend 2k

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HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 12:54

I need help. Feel like I’ve been put in a really awkward situation and o don’t know what to do.

I have a best friend, Jane. We have been best friends for 12 or so years and have been there for each other through thick and thin. For context she is living by herself with no children but has a BF of nearly 5 years, I am a single Mum to 1 teenager.

Jane started a WFH job about 1.5years ago and has had nothing but trouble with it. The job is great imo, comes with a good salary and amazing benefits and they have been unbelievably good to her. I also have a good job, making more than Jane by maybe 15k but don’t have the same additional benefits.

Her mental health has deteriorated during the course of this role and I personally don’t think that WFH full time suits her. She started asking me for money about a year ago, there was a period where it was between 200 and 500 every month for about 5 months. She always paid it back the following month but I just didn’t understand where her money was going. Except going on holidays, dinners out etc with a well paid BF who I think she’s trying to keep up with.

She eventually came clean with me last year that she wasn’t logging in for work on a regular basis. There is flexitime, unpaid leave and last minute holidays available in her role so she was just calling in last minute, sometimes for up to a week and just staying in bed from what I can tell so she needed the money to make up with loss in salary every month. I eventually told her one month that I couldn’t help, that things were tight for me and the requests stopped.

She has sought some help with her MH, has been taking various antidepressants. I’ve been there for her without question to help with all of this. One thing I have encouraged her to do is to speak to her BF as she hasn’t told him about any of this. He would text her or call to the house asking how her day was and she would respond as though she has been working all day. I really don’t agree with this, I think it’s not fair on him to keep this from him but it’s not my place to make a deal out of this. All I know is that if a partner of mine was lying to me like this, I wouldn’t want to be with them. But again, not my place.

I’m just back from holidays with my son, a holiday I saved for all year. The day before I left she sent me a long text essentially asking for a loan of 2k which she will pay back in instalments. Apparently her work has been topping up her wages when she has again not been logging in and now their policy has changed and she need to pay this back so will lose 2 months wages.

She said she went to the bank for a loan but that they refused saying she would need 6 months of full payslips. She said she can’t ask her partner as he’s currently building a house and his outgoings are monitored for mortgage.

I have serious issues with all of this:

â—¦	Why was I fronting her money last year if her wages were being topped up? How was she broke then? 
â—¦	How can a company just change their policy so quickly and stop all of her wages for 2 months. 
â—¦	Surely if they were topping up her wages, then she HAS 6 months of full payslips?
â—¦	I seriously doubt her BF bank is monitoring his outgoings that much when the mortgage has already been approved. He also earns a 6 figure salary. I believe she just doesn’t want to come clean to him. 
â—¦	I’m a single mother and have been for over 10 years. I have raised a child on far less than she’s being paid without maintenance payments. Where is her money going? 
â—¦	To ask me the day before my holiday for this loan and then to follow up with me when I was on holiday this week I felt was a shitty thing to do.
â—¦	She has had disciplinary action taken at work due to her absences and I’m not 100% sure how secure her job, or ability to pay me back is. 
â—¦	She had a payout of 70k about 4 years ago from an accident. She was very generous and spent about 1k taking me on a holiday with another friend, but I recently found out that all of that money is now gone, with nothing to show for it. 

I love this woman so much, I really do. And technically I have the money that I could give to her but none of this is sitting right with me and I hate the position that I’m now in. I feel if I say yes, I’m just bailing her out and there’s a chance she may not be able to pay me back. If I say no, I feel it could damage a friendship that I really really value so much.

How do I handle this? Am I being a bitch, should I just give her the money?

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HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:24

BettyBardMacDonald · 10/05/2024 13:18

Why does she know about your savings and other financial circumstances?

Going forward, keep that information private.

Because I live a nice life and she knows I wouldn't be spending the money I do without having money in the bank. For example I bought a new (for me) car recently, I'm going on another holiday in July etc.

I don't buy expensive clothes or makeup or anything but I'm thankfully in a much better position than a lot of other people... because I budget well and have really focused my time on increasing my salary with better jobs over the years.

She doesn't know how much I make or exactly what I have in savings but it's obvious I'm, very thankfully, not on the breadline.

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LIZS · 10/05/2024 13:24

You need to accept that she is not telling you the truth, and probably hasn't been for a while. On that basis it should be a no.

MILTOBE · 10/05/2024 13:23

You must be working so hard, both at work and at home. She, on the other hand, is staying in bed instead of working and now wants you to use the money from your job to give to her so that she can keep up with her richer boyfriend.

She's not a good friend to you, OP.

mountaingoatsarehairy · 10/05/2024 13:22

Just say you have put your savings into an isa so can’t get them back without losing the benefit.

sounds like the 2k would be a stop gap and you might never get it back

Mischance · 10/05/2024 13:22

My Dad used to say: "Neither a borrower not a lender be." - a lot!

0sm0nthus · 10/05/2024 13:21

I would be very sympathetic but stick to the line that you wish you could help but you simply can't afford to.
If she questions this just keep saying sorry you can't afford it

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:20

@FlickFlackTrap I HAVE offered help with a budget. I shared my own budgeting spreadsheet which I amended for her (I'm a sucker for a sexy excel). I've helped her do her tax back. I don't think she's even looked at the spreadsheet though

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ManagedMove · 10/05/2024 13:20

Absolutely do not lend her any more money. It sounds like she has been claiming for time she didn't work and has been found out. Can't imagine a company topping up wages.

If you feel bad about the holiday I'd probably give her £500 tell her it's a gift but you won't be lending money out again. You've put it all in a fixed saving account for something, child's uni etc. Or give her nothing and tell her the same. Yoh don't owe her anything.

DeeCeeCherry · 10/05/2024 13:20

Why would you even get uminto this? It's people pleasing and you really should read up on the downsides of this. There are assertiveness courses online too. You want your friend to like you so much that you're letting yourself be taken for a mug. She has a partner - step away and let them figure money and life matters out together as a couple, without your saviour syndrome clouding things.

You both have work to do on yourselves, albeit in different ways.

Tel12 · 10/05/2024 13:18

It looks like you've been funding her not WFH lifestyle. It's ok to decline and hang onto your hard earned money. She's possibly into on line gambling. It doesn't matter, you need to stop enabling her. Just say no. You don't have to apologise, or explain. Just decline.

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:18

MintTwirl · 10/05/2024 13:15

I agree with PP you need to say no. I also suspect she is gambling away the money or similar, it doesn’t have to be betting, it can be online bingo or other things,

I can hand on heart say that there is no addiction issue. It can't be drink or drugs and it's definitely not gambling, I would bet my own life on it (pardon the lazy pun).

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BettyBardMacDonald · 10/05/2024 13:18

Why does she know about your savings and other financial circumstances?

Going forward, keep that information private.

FlickFlackTrap · 10/05/2024 13:17

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:13

I think she knows pretty well that I would have this money in my savings so I don't think I can simply say that I don't have it.

Then I think you need to be honest and tell her she’s clearly struggling and needs to get a grip of her financial situation. Would she respond well if you offered to help her budget etc? Sorry OP but it doesn’t sound like she’s being much of a friend if she keeps asking for money and putting you in this situation.

Mischance · 10/05/2024 13:17

I do not think it is about analysing her finances and wondering why she needs a loan - it is about establishing the principle that you are not going to lend her money at all. End of.

Tell her you are a single mother and must prioritise your son. End of.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/05/2024 13:17

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:13

I think she knows pretty well that I would have this money in my savings so I don't think I can simply say that I don't have it.

Doesn’t mean you have it spare just because you have it though does it? Say it’s earmarked for a new boiler or something if you need a lie but the fact is that it’s not spare. You’re a single parent with no back up. Put you and your DC first.

Tamigotxh · 10/05/2024 13:17

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:12

No, I didn't pay her back for the holiday. It was never expected. She knew I would never be able to go on a holiday like this in good conscience being a single Mum. While I could probably afford it, I have other priorities.

This holiday was proposed as a gift for both me and another girl. We bought her a lovely sentimental gift from both of us.

I had to include about the holiday in my OP because it's clouding my judgement in this situation a bit.

Fair enough it was a gift so you’re not obliged to pay her back at all, but now that she’s in need of money If you have 1K now to give to her, why don’t you give it to her now ?

Say to her you’re done with loaning money and won’t be doing it again, but this is a final monetary gift to help her out and also in recognition of her earlier generosity to make it clear she can’t hold any previous favours over your head. And then wipe your hands off the whole situation.

BettyBardMacDonald · 10/05/2024 13:16

She's a mooching user.

Many people have MH problems and still manage to meet their obligations. Don't continue to enable her.

Your first duty is to maintain a solvent household for your child and yourself.

MintTwirl · 10/05/2024 13:15

I agree with PP you need to say no. I also suspect she is gambling away the money or similar, it doesn’t have to be betting, it can be online bingo or other things,

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:13

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/05/2024 13:12

I’d just say sorry, no can do. I don’t have that amount of cash spare. If i did, i wouldn’t have had to save for a whole year to have a holiday. Speak to your BF

I think she knows pretty well that I would have this money in my savings so I don't think I can simply say that I don't have it.

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MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 10/05/2024 13:12

I’d just say sorry, no can do. I don’t have that amount of cash spare. If i did, i wouldn’t have had to save for a whole year to have a holiday. Speak to your BF

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:12

Starsandflowers · 10/05/2024 13:09

Did you pay her back for the holiday?
I think if no and she spent 1k on taking you on holiday perhaps consider lending her that amount...?
But I think you are well within your rights to just say 'no I can't I'm sorry but I don't have thar spare' you don't need to explain yourself.
I certainly wouldn't be lending 2k as that's a huge amount that might effect you if she couldn't pay it back... which it's likely she couldn't.
If you do decide to lend her money lend her a realistic amount that she might be able to pay back or would not seriously effect you if she couldn't.
But as I said if you don't want to then just say no! There's a good argument for not doing as it seems she is becoming dependant on your money rather than actually sorting her problems out.
I'd say if you do lend some money you need to have a stern word with her about how this will be the last time and she needs to get a grip on things.

No, I didn't pay her back for the holiday. It was never expected. She knew I would never be able to go on a holiday like this in good conscience being a single Mum. While I could probably afford it, I have other priorities.

This holiday was proposed as a gift for both me and another girl. We bought her a lovely sentimental gift from both of us.

I had to include about the holiday in my OP because it's clouding my judgement in this situation a bit.

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HelenaWaiting · 10/05/2024 13:10

Bambinomino · 10/05/2024 13:01

No way.

I suspect she has a secret drug or gambling problem she's trying to hide.

This is exactly what I thought.

Starsandflowers · 10/05/2024 13:09

Did you pay her back for the holiday?
I think if no and she spent 1k on taking you on holiday perhaps consider lending her that amount...?
But I think you are well within your rights to just say 'no I can't I'm sorry but I don't have thar spare' you don't need to explain yourself.
I certainly wouldn't be lending 2k as that's a huge amount that might effect you if she couldn't pay it back... which it's likely she couldn't.
If you do decide to lend her money lend her a realistic amount that she might be able to pay back or would not seriously effect you if she couldn't.
But as I said if you don't want to then just say no! There's a good argument for not doing as it seems she is becoming dependant on your money rather than actually sorting her problems out.
I'd say if you do lend some money you need to have a stern word with her about how this will be the last time and she needs to get a grip on things.

pikkumyy77 · 10/05/2024 13:08

You are a single mother raising a teenager. You have—can have—no spare cash because you have no backup. She can forget or ignore that but you can’t. Just say no.

I realize how hard this advice sounds but she needs to get on top of her crisis sooner, rather than later. Right now (she says) its manageable at a (mere) 2000. If you loan it to her she will kick the can down the road and transfer the pain and anger to you as her new creditor while her debts continue to mount.

She is not in control of her finances. She has been robbing peter to pay paul for a long time. The 70, 000 pound inheritance and your loans helped her hide her collapse up until now. But the situation will collapse. Don’t let your friendship be destroyed y becoming her creditor.

HelpAGirlOut1234 · 10/05/2024 13:08

drusth · 10/05/2024 13:04

She said she can’t ask her partner as he’s currently building a house and his outgoings are monitored for mortgage.

To ask me the day before my holiday for this loan and then to follow up with me when I was on holiday this week I felt was a shitty thing to do.

She would rather ruin the holiday of a single mum rather than ask her partner, who has the money to build a house.

I know, this really stung. On one hand, I'm glad she feels she can turn to me, she always does in hard times, financial or otherwise. But to not ask him for the money, because I think she's trying to hide the fact she hasn't been working, while he's earning 6 figures and I'm a single Mum just hit me a bit. I do really think this is so she can afford a holiday with him in July as well. It's a bit shit isn't it?

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