To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

"There’s a bit of weird anti- Scottish thing on MN at the moment. It seems to crop up on various, unrelated threads."

You're right @BriceNobeslovesMurielHeslop , I've noticed it a few times of late. Not nice.

Yes, she seems to have it in for the actress and couldn't even resist saying how unflattering it was to her to have Jessica in the role.

I think Piers went quite easy on her but I do think he had or had seen the evidence which was why he referred to it so often.

There was no need to show it to her and may never be if she doesn't take it to court. She baulked when he asked her if she was challenging Gadd to publish his evidence and that nonsensical retort she gave about the voice messages he says he has just being times when he recorded her in the pub.

I very much doubt she will take it to court, just as I doubt the lawyer boyfriend and the close friends.

The best thing she can do is lie low and just utter simple denials if anyone asks her.

The worst thing she can do is appear on shows threatening court action..

That's my advice to her. Stop stoking it. You're making a circus of yourself and unless you are 100% sure that no calls/emails etc exist, you are leaving yourself open to being sued yourself.

@Danfromdownunder what exactly are you 100% certain that she did?

Of course Netflix should never have claimed it was a true story. Netflix and Gadd have deliberately misled a gullible public into thinking it was true.

Gadd's exact words were that it was "100% emotionally true". I bet they got lawyers to see if they could get away with that.

Sums it up for me

You know her in real life?

Has she ever worked as a lawyer? She seems to have never answered this

Thanks team I have watched it now and Lordy me, she’s not a well woman. I’m 100% certain she did it though.

Oh that's very interesting! How do you know her?

Totally agree. Except the sex offender character apparently doesn't look like the real-life predator. Instead he looks almost identical to another writer/producer that Gadd worked with who is completely innocent and who is now being dragged through the coals and accused of being a rapist 🤯. WHAT THE FUCK WAS GADD THINKING!!!

Having encountered her several times in real life and knowing some of her other victims - every word was pure fantasy.

Yeah. As pps have said, it is all very Black Mirror.

Real life has jumped the shark.

I don't understand the obsession with Martha, not that I'm condoning her actions at all, but she was clearly unwell and this is helping no one. The true villain was the writer "mentor" somehow I don't think he'll come forward for an interview with Piers...and yet it's apparently widely known who it is in the industry, but he's not having any repercussions, who knows how many others he's hurt.

It's just all so weird.

One of the nation's most watched shows is a man acting out his own trauma on tv with actors who look remarkably similar to the perpetrators.

Two antagonists - one a rapist and one a mentally ill woman. Yet it's the mentally ill woman who takes most of the public's outrage.

The stalker becoming the stalked as people hurry to discover her identity.

The same mentally ill woman humiliated online by a man with a lot more power and agency than her.

It's like the whole thing was designed to show what a shit show society has became.

My concern is that she's going to go after Jessica Gunning.

She says she knew it was about her because of two things:

The baby reindeer title (she did give him a baby reindeer and said he reminded her of one)

The previous stalking allegations against her, by Glasgow lawyer Laura Wray. Laura Wray alleges that she stalked her and harassed her family and made spurious claims to social services that they were abusing their disabled son. This is shown in BR, with a few details changed.

Gadd admits that she did not attack his trans girlfriend and that she did not go to jail.

But he says the rest of it is true.

And I think it probably is.

But she's tying herself in knots trying to deny stalking and sending the 41,000 emails, and sees the fact that she's never been to jail as proof of that.

She seemed to claim that the whole previous stalking incident is irrelevant as well because she doesn't have an interdict against her because of some technical issue getting it registered with the court....she seems to think this vindicates her, ignoring the fact that the woman did intend and try to get an interdict against her.

As to why she chose piers Morgan - I'm baffled. She was gushing over him, saying she chose him because he's such an experienced broadcaster - but she must have known what he's like?

It's still there @Danfromdownunder Maybe you can't view it because you're in Oz? Sometimes when I try to view videos on Youtube, they won't play because it's 'out of my region' or something like that...

Urgh trust Piers Morgan to stoop so low.

I wonder if anyone involved in the making of Baby Reindeer now has a sense of regret?

@MoominPyjamas - what about women murderers, other types of female crime. I know two women who went to prison - both were in relationships which were functional. You’re making a very sweeping statement- not everything is to do with whether one has a penis or not - it’s about if that person wields the power or not. There’s male on male crime and control too as evidenced in BR.

Agreed, and Netflix should never have billed it as a true story if this amount of fabrication has knowingly gone on.

I thought that. I bet she'd pass a lie detector test because she doesn't believe that she is lying.

Of course she’s lying. Focusing on what she’s saying (However entertaining it might be to you) isn’t relevant really. Piers Morgan is parading a person with a serious personality disorder around in public to humiliate them. What would help right now is a psychiatrist.

Re the pronunciations, I agree that most of these mispronunciations are due to the reading of words and not an indicator of low intelligence.

But in her case, I'm afraid it did tip me off as to her level of intelligence. She's supposedly a lawyer, who should be familiar with words with Latin roots and their pronunciation. If she'd been working as a lawyer for the past 30 years, she'd have come across this word being spoken.

I haven't watched baby reindeer, nor did I watch her interview. I've saw comments she's made on social media though, and she strikes me as someone who is just very conceited and lacks insight (she's made endless excuses for her behaviour, so it's likely she'll continue with the pattern of harrassing people).
Her marbles are clearly a bit scattered, but I don't think her behaviour can be put down to mental illness - I think she's just a common garden pain in the arse.

In which case Netflix shouldn’t have ever called it a true story.

Agreed, Netflix have completely failed in any kind of editorial duty of care, and both they and Gadd are ridiculously naive to think they’d in any way hidden her identity whatsoever especially when he’s literally playing himself.

I think both her & Gadd have been exploited by Netflix, it’s incomprehensible they didn’t see all of this coming.