To think that everything Fiona Harvey said in her Piers Morgan interview was a lie? [Edit by MNHQ]

her denying ever being in court or prison surely that would be easy for a journalist to find out

I'm old and did Latin in school. I still thought it was hyper-bowl until I was at uni. I had never heard it said out loud until then. 🤣

I still occasionally say hyper-bowl to take the piss out of myself.

She is not well. But her sickness caused harm to others, she seemed to be doing ok living life of lies.

Whilst I think she was pretty much chatting shit for most of that interview I can see how you can be middle class AND impoverished. Class isn't necessarily an indicator of household income. There are plenty of middle class and even titled people living hand to mouth.

I also take issue with posters saying she clearly isn't educated because she can't pronounce hyperbole. Not knowing how to pronounce a word shows you learnt it by reading and people who read are often also well educated.

For someone supposedly educated, her saying "hyper-bowl" for "hyperbole" is very odd

Her talking about her boyfriend...sounds like "he goes to another school" sort of BF...

I think this is exactly what it is, a long game piece of art. It would be fascinating if so.

I disagree with the PP who said that men's motivation for stalking is to control, and that women's motivations are different. There are different stalker typologies, and each has a different motivation regardless of sex. Martha is presented as having Intimacy Seeker typology, and these are much more likely (whether male or female) to have mental health issues, particularly delusional disorders. I agree that hounding her is not going to help, but is only likely to make things worse. She needs treatment; she won't be able to change her behaviour on her own.

The problem that I can see with the show is that, as Gadd says, some of the incidents (the bar fight, the prison sentence) never happened. And yet the show states it is 'a true story' rather than 'based on real events/some scenes added for dramatic purposes' etc. I don't know if legally this makes a difference, but I would have thought so.

My experience of her (25-30 years ago) was that she was not vulnerable.

Everyone else was.

She could flip in an instant. Be chatting and giggling and then suddenly screaming then back to chatting and giggling without missing a breath.

She made threats all the time.

I witnessed her physically assaulting a woman. It came out of nowhere. Sudden and vicious and unprovoked.

Social media and even email wasn't a thing back then so she would follow people and leave long rambling answering machine messages.

She scared me.

I was recoiling into my seat when I watched this and I couldn't watch it all.

I think I would be fucking careful if I were Jessica Gunning.

I don’t know what you mean. I’m trying to point out that there is a bbc radio Scotland topical quiz programme with Scottish comics called “Breaking the News”, and where they often refer to Fringe shows and winners. So it’s perfectly possible that Gadd was a guest or his show was referred to.

It’s also possible that PM is unaware of this, and that Fiona was not talking about bbcbreaking news on tv or website but actually the radio programme.

I have six email addresses!

Do we expect anything different from him?

Whatever happened or didn’t, that lady still is a very vulnerable person and should be treated as such.

TV companies and Piers Morgan should have said no to having her speak.
To be honest whilst the Netflix show may have been very good and bla bla bla, they’ve told a story about a woman who is still very much here today and I think they’ve been extremely irresponsible in allowing Gadd to make it.

She's right, though. I don't have loads of email addresses, but a lot of people do because they want to protect their online identity.

When she talks about BBC breaking news isn't she just referring to the BBC news website, which is breaking news every hour of the day - even about very mundane subjects. I don't think she means that it was some big deal on the TV news.

I don't imagine Gadd had any idea how big this would be and probably has some regrets about how they did it.

It’s bbc radio Scotland’s “Breaking the News”, which is a bit like the radio 4 “News Quiz”

This is my concern as well. She's very hostile towards her - despite it being a very flattering portrayal of her, physically (JG is younger, much prettier etc).

@tir

You know her in real life?

Has she ever worked as a lawyer? She seems to have never answered this

I knew her in the late 90s, early 00s. It was well known what happened with Laura and Jimmy Wray. At that time she'd only had her few days of legal trainineeship before getting fired - nothing else.

What she did in the last 20 years I've no
Idea.

I'd wondered what happened to her. No I know.

Sorry I posted quickly. I believe she stalked him. I hadn’t thought about the risk to the actress that played her though that’s a good point.

@MILTOBE

Oh that's very interesting! How do you know her?

I knew her whilst she was involved in the Labour Party - stalking MPs and harassing other individuals. Kept my distance whenever possible and hid when I saw her in the street.

The main reason I'm not buying the experiment theory is the fact it involves sexual violence, lying about rape can never condoned and that's essentially what it would be.

It's interesting that it's apparently a open secret who the allegedly rapist man is however no one says anything, the TV industry is still the same as it was during savile protecting abusers.

However I have a feeling Gadd still works with the alleged rapist and that's why more of the vitriol is directed to her.

On the stalker, I have met women like her before and they are pathological liars and full of their self importance and very scary.

I really do hope this is a Black Mirror type thing and it's all a very clever way to hold a mirror up to us all, because otherwise it's a moral bin fire.

I did question whether it was a social experiment when I read this interview from 2014. https://thejohnfleming.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/performer-richard-gadd-on-ego-anxiety-and-why-comedians-are-like-strippers/

“So what is your schtick?” I asked.
“Heightened surrealism.”
“Your show last year,” I said. “Cheese and Crack Whores. What was that about?”
“That was about a break-up I had with a lady and I stalked her and my life spiralled out-of-control. It was more-or-less a veiled truth. I never stalked her. I would never stalk anyone.”
“It was heightened reality?” I asked.
“Yes. I was going through a break-up and I teased it out. You know when you go through a break-up and you sort-of go insane and you think those thoughts: I’m going to do this… I’m going to do that…? But you can’t do them, because no sane person would. So I did a show about What would I have done if…? But, in fact, I don’t like cheese and I don’t like crack whores.”

Did what though? BR made so many claims about her behaviour and we've already established that many were fabricated.

From her past behaviour it is likely that she has stalked and caused a great deal of emotional harm to people. And she should have been dealt with appropriately by the relevant authorities. Instead, by making her identifiable and then lying about some of her behaviour, Netflix and Gadd have probably just written her a big, fat cheque, given her a massive amount of attention, and potentially given her new victims and obsessions.

By telling the story in the way that they did, they took a huge risk with the actor's safety, particularly Jessica.