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Not to send my child to reception year?

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IzzyPopp · 08/05/2024 16:39

It is not compulsory in this country to start primary school until 5 year old (I find even that is early) but children even start at the age of 4 in reception.

How important is the reception and what is taught, given it is not compulsory to start until the child turns 5.

And then once the child turns 5 they must start the term after their fifth birthday, not in the following September after they turned 5, which is the beginning of school year. What is taught in that year given it is ok for the child to miss the beginning of that school year?

Do people in general send their kids to reception at 4 or do they wait till 5? Or does it vary quite a bit?

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Notquitefinishe · 09/05/2024 18:03

IzzyPopp · 09/05/2024 09:04

I shall be sending my firstborn to reception in the September same year she turns 4 now I understand better how it all works.

My second is born in December so will be naturally a bit older anyway.

What I couldn’t understand is how can a child be able to join somewhere throughout the year based on the government website. Such as my DC born in March could join the reception for the last term only after they turned 5 and then off to year 1 in September of the same year. If it leaves the children behind why are they able to miss. Having said that I understand from the comments that schools don’t really like doing it.

I also find myself guilty of jumping on the few less positive experiences some people mentioned here, purely because of my negative view of such an early start in school….

And completely hear the point people raised about the DC being quite a lot older in comparison to their peers later down the road….

You're right that it's ridiculous but as a pp said, it's a hangover from the past. I imagine 95%+ join in September in their correct school year so it's not been a priority to change.

aweebitlost · 09/05/2024 14:16

Of course age isn’t an irrelevance. Just because you or your kid were fine doesn’t discount the studies which look at the broader data.

Hillarious · 09/05/2024 10:57

Grasshopper7 · 09/05/2024 10:54

@Hillarious
Age is not an irrelevance. There have been multiple studies which have proven that summerborn children do worse not just at school but throughout their lives .

Thanks, @Grasshopper7. As an August baby, I'll take your comments on board.

Grasshopper7 · 09/05/2024 10:54

@Hillarious
Age is not an irrelevance. There have been multiple studies which have proven that summerborn children do worse not just at school but throughout their lives .

Hillarious · 09/05/2024 10:12

Age is an irrelevance. My daughter started in September after she was 4 in May, and my son in September after he was 4 the previous November. She settled much more quickly. He had a lot of energy to burn off every day, and it was real effort for him to "keep it all in". They'd both done a year of half days at a state nursery, so the first of the two years of the Foundation stage. All play-led. Children learn a lot through play.

SnacksToTheMax · 09/05/2024 09:55

My eldest was born in the last week of August, and was only just 4 when she started - we thought long and hard over whether to delay. We decided to start her with everyone else in September of her ‘proper’ Reception year instead of skipping it and going into year 1 a year later - I’m happy we did. It was mostly play-based and she loved it. The days were shorter than her nursery days, so although we went from 4 days at nursery to full time at school she coped fine.

I think she would have had a harder time trying to catch up on the phonics and maths covered in the reception year if she had skipped it and started in Year 1 - I wouldn’t have wanted that affecting her confidence given she’s already the youngest, so playing catch-up developmentally vs some of the older ones. It’s such a tough one though - she did seem very tiny when she started.

In some areas you can delay starting by a year for summer borns, and go into reception a year later (rather than skipping) but it’s definitely not a given.

Peachyeyes · 09/05/2024 09:33

Keep in mind that the admissions authority (this could be the LA or a individual school depending on type of school) might not be willing to agree to deferred entry and hold a place for a child starting later. So that could be an issue if your preferred school is full and oversubscribed.

Needmorelego · 09/05/2024 09:18

@IzzyPopp the issue with the government having the "term after they turn 5" as the starting age (so technically a child could start halfway through the academic year) is it's outdated now as almost all schools only do September intake.
It's an old hangover from years ago.
It's rare for it to happen now.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/05/2024 09:08

Comedycook · 08/05/2024 16:57

Reception is as others have said play based. I really don't know why you would want to skip it out.

This.

IzzyPopp · 09/05/2024 09:04

I shall be sending my firstborn to reception in the September same year she turns 4 now I understand better how it all works.

My second is born in December so will be naturally a bit older anyway.

What I couldn’t understand is how can a child be able to join somewhere throughout the year based on the government website. Such as my DC born in March could join the reception for the last term only after they turned 5 and then off to year 1 in September of the same year. If it leaves the children behind why are they able to miss. Having said that I understand from the comments that schools don’t really like doing it.

I also find myself guilty of jumping on the few less positive experiences some people mentioned here, purely because of my negative view of such an early start in school….

And completely hear the point people raised about the DC being quite a lot older in comparison to their peers later down the road….

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Rycbar · 09/05/2024 08:32

IzzyPopp · 09/05/2024 06:30

Aahhh, this is bringing me to the same point. I think kids here start so early. I fully appreciate skipping reception is not a good idea given what is thought there. But we live for soooo long, why the need to ‘force’ kids to formally learn from such an early age. Also appreciate what people are saying about it being play mainly and some children will find it easier than others.

But of course if everyone does it you don’t want your kid to be the outsider.

I think what I missed from saying on here is that reception is so important because we do most of this during play!! My reception children sit down on the carpet to do work for a grand total of 1 hour a day. And not in one go either - it’s split up and bookends their play. We do phonics first thing for 20 mins and then they play for 2 and a half hours then a quick maths before lunch. The rest of their learning is in play!!

I understand what you’re saying and in countries that start later it works well. But if your child is joining our education system, to miss any of it would be to the detriment of your child.

CelesteCunningham · 09/05/2024 07:42

IzzyPopp · 09/05/2024 06:30

Aahhh, this is bringing me to the same point. I think kids here start so early. I fully appreciate skipping reception is not a good idea given what is thought there. But we live for soooo long, why the need to ‘force’ kids to formally learn from such an early age. Also appreciate what people are saying about it being play mainly and some children will find it easier than others.

But of course if everyone does it you don’t want your kid to be the outsider.

I know it must seem so strange when it's not the system you're used to. You'll see yourself when you get there, there's nothing forced about it - they pretty much all LOVE school at this age. It's so lovely to see them all running in every morning, all full of smiles and happiness.

My eldest was reluctant to do any reading etc at home, I spoke to the teacher who was adamant we shouldn't force it or make a big deal of it. She was happy and settled at school and progressing well in the classroom so that was what they wanted.

It's all about good foundations, socially and academically, but they have a ball in the process.

Also, my eldest is April born and she was definitely ready for something more than the nursery environment by the September she was 4.5.

dancinfeet · 09/05/2024 07:28

I wanted to send my youngest DD after easter as she is summer born, but the school said I would lose her school place because they had a big waiting list. (oversubscribed village primary). I sent her at just turned 4, but I do wish I hadn’t and had waited until the January at least, as she did struggle for the first two terms. Same school “corrected” her left handedness by insisting she wrote with her right hand (she naturally used her right hand for scissors and her left for writing and drawing, so the teacher thought it was a good idea to correct it 🙄) leading to a lifetime of struggling with her handwriting. It really depends on the child though- my eldest was more than ready for school at the same age.

Londonrach1 · 09/05/2024 07:09

Reception year is the most fun year...it's all play based and very important as the children learn to interact with each other and start their phonics...I don't know a single child who jumped this year. I know one who repeated reception as was young in the year.

LIZS · 09/05/2024 07:06

My DC is born in March, so if they turn 4 in March 2026 they would start reception in September 2026. Or alternatively, when they turn 5 in March 2027 they must start school the term after Easter in 2027 which would be reception and then they would start in year 1 in September 2027? Are those the options?

@IzzyPopp Pretty much yes. Bear in mind even if nursery/preschool accept them for the extra terms they would follow the same EYFS curriculum just not in a school environment and with younger children. Unless your dc has additional meeds a delay due to being young in the year is difficult ti argue, A March birthday is right in the middle, Comparison to other systems is a red-herring as some other countries have compulsory nursery/kindergarten attendance before formal school.

Crazychaotic · 09/05/2024 07:05

Just a slightly diff take on this. My DD wasn’t able to start uk primary school until half way through year 1 and then covid struck and she was back out and didn’t return to school when every one else did until and missed year 2. She then went back in to school year 3.
she is now working at the same level as her peers and with no issues.

Iaminthefly · 09/05/2024 06:40

I deferred my summer born twins starting reception as they would have only just turned 4.

They started the month after their 5th birthday. They have thrived in reception. They are doing brilliantly with their reading and writing and have really come out of their shells.

Reception is so important. Please don't skip it for your childs sake!

IzzyPopp · 09/05/2024 06:35

BlueMum16 · 08/05/2024 21:04

If your DC is already in full time nursery then reception hours will be less.

Are you using nursery for child care? If so you may need to look at breakfast and after school clubs too

Yep, used for childcare.

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Peonies12 · 09/05/2024 06:34

Why wouldn’t you-it’s free. It’s not about learning stuff, more about socialising, learning to sit and listen etc

IzzyPopp · 09/05/2024 06:30

Rycbar · 08/05/2024 20:11

Whilst it is mostly learning through play…to say they don’t learn a lot of horrendously wrong!! An expectation at the end for reception is that they can write a sentence independently- there is a hell of a lot of work that goes into teaching that, and that’s just one example!

OP, your child’s reception year sets up A LOT of the groundwork for your child’s future in school. Reading, writing, maths skills (which isn’t just counting - it’s having a deep understanding of numbers to 10 - composition, cardinality, patterns of counting!) This isn’t all we do of course but miss these…unless you can confidently say you could teach your child these yourself to the he same standard… it’s likely your child will be behind when they go into year 1!

Aahhh, this is bringing me to the same point. I think kids here start so early. I fully appreciate skipping reception is not a good idea given what is thought there. But we live for soooo long, why the need to ‘force’ kids to formally learn from such an early age. Also appreciate what people are saying about it being play mainly and some children will find it easier than others.

But of course if everyone does it you don’t want your kid to be the outsider.

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Rachie1973 · 08/05/2024 23:46

SecondHandFurniture · 08/05/2024 17:11

Exactly! Mine can read, write, draw recognisable objects and do some maths. And there's still a term left.

Same. She’s loving the learning process! She’s learned substantial amounts from Sept, she turns 5 next week.

RisingMist · 08/05/2024 23:40

Ferngardens · 08/05/2024 23:32

You have to factor in that a preschool or nursery can and quite often say no to keep children after 4 if they're school age. It really depends on the circumstances but kids do make quite firm friends and I'd say reception does matter. Some people keep a summer born child back but that has implications, it's ok when you're 6 in a class with 4 year olds but not so when you're 12 in a class with 10 year olds

Or still stuck in school doing your A-Levels when you're 19. It's only been the last few years that significant numbers of Summer-born children have been held back a year. Though I appreciate that there are probably a few children that really need this, I do wonder how some of them will feel when they are older than anyone else in primary school and the rest of their age cohort have left for secondary.

TotHappy · 08/05/2024 23:38

You can only defer a summer born I.e. let them start reception the September after they turn 5 and only with the permission of the school (they are supposed to consider each case on its merits but ime most just don't consider it) but you can delay a start in reception year for any 4 year old. You apply at the normal time but tell the school you won't be taking up the place until they're 5.

Ferngardens · 08/05/2024 23:32

You have to factor in that a preschool or nursery can and quite often say no to keep children after 4 if they're school age. It really depends on the circumstances but kids do make quite firm friends and I'd say reception does matter. Some people keep a summer born child back but that has implications, it's ok when you're 6 in a class with 4 year olds but not so when you're 12 in a class with 10 year olds

Ineedaholidayyyy · 08/05/2024 23:08

I thought you could only defer if your child is summer born i.e April - August? If your child's birthday is in March, wouldn't the expectation be to start school in the September? I could be wrong though.

I'm sure your child will cope ok, most will be tired when they first start, but it soon passes.