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TeacherAnonymous123 · 08/05/2024 12:27

Issue coming from another thread I posted, so thought I would ask for people's opinions.

I teach Religious Studies at a Catholic Secondary School. As it is my subject, I am clearly biased, but I believe that students learning about other religions and cultures is extremely important for their development and attitude towards the world and other people.

As it is a Catholic school, students must take RS at GCSE. Their first exam in it is tomorrow morning and some of them are still apathetic, telling me that parents have said not to bother trying as it isn't an important subject and it doesn't matter if they fail.

Obviously this leads to a battle in lesson which I cannot win as I do not have support from parents.

So parents - do you think RS is an important and relevant subject? If not, why not?

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CoatRack · 08/05/2024 21:40

Sorry OP, you teach a largely pointless subject, so for most people it will not be a priority. It certainly wouldn't be for me.

Basic economics would be a far better use of students' time.

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 21:39

@DevastatedParent that's just the GCSE curriculum.
The children will have had 10 earlier years of school.
I would hope they learned about other religions and beliefs during those 10 years.
If they didn't then that is bad.

DevastatedParent · 08/05/2024 21:33

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 21:20

@DevastatedParent I can't speak for the current curriculum but back in my day (1980s/early 90s) in my RE lessons we learned about all the major religions.
So we were taught the difference between a Sikh Temple and an Islamic Mosque 😂
That's just one example of what I would consider a basic piece of knowledge - but there seems to be so much ignorance in the UK about simple facts like that.
And ignorance frequently leads to hatred unfortunately.

@Needmorelego I’m guessing that wasn’t at a religious school. The OP has already stated that the GCSE teaches Christianity and Judaism. So not all major religions.

Shareaway11 · 08/05/2024 21:32

I'm not remotely religious at all but I enjoyed RE at high school and got my best gcse grade from it over 20 years ago. I do think it offers value in many different areas of life as an adult.

sunshineandshowers40 · 08/05/2024 21:27

It's compulsory at my DCs non church school. They take the GCSE in Y10 and it is suggested that it is good practise for Y11. I have been helping my DC revise and have found it quite interesting.

Maray1967 · 08/05/2024 21:24

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 08/05/2024 12:41

I think it's important. So is PE, art and music but I will be honest I care far more about DS doing well in English , maths and other academic subjects.

Same here. And I’m a Christian and an HE humanities lecturer.

I doubt DS has done any RS revision, although he quite enjoys it. He’s focusing on biology in preparation for Friday.

QueenMegan · 08/05/2024 21:24

My children all took it a year early and passed with a good grade which was a relief as I thought one down. We are Catholic but I liked learning about Islam. I do always say same story different actors...
I remember learning RE and it was tedious and boring but I think its alot better now.

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 21:20

@DevastatedParent I can't speak for the current curriculum but back in my day (1980s/early 90s) in my RE lessons we learned about all the major religions.
So we were taught the difference between a Sikh Temple and an Islamic Mosque 😂
That's just one example of what I would consider a basic piece of knowledge - but there seems to be so much ignorance in the UK about simple facts like that.
And ignorance frequently leads to hatred unfortunately.

CurlewKate · 08/05/2024 21:20

@ But at my catholic school it incited more hatred by teaching Christianity as the ‘right’ religion."

That's not what GCSE does.

Type2whattodo · 08/05/2024 21:20

Our school doesn't have RE as a compulsory GCSE and they therefore have to do RE as a non examination subject. I think its a waste of time as they aren't learning basics of all major religions or how to not offend others or what is the same across the religions, which I would see as valuable. They are learning more of an indoctrination In my opinion.
That said, the GCSE looks quite interesting as there is some philosophy and ethics in there which is interesting and worthwhile.

I'd question why parents chose a CATHOLIC school for their children if they don't think RE is important as a subject though. Perhaps your school could sit that GCSE in year 10 instead of 11.

Despair1 · 08/05/2024 21:20

Yes, if you attend a catholic school, it should be expected that RE at GCSE is compulsory. I attended a RC school and took GCSE RE. It certainly wasn't considered a 'less than' subject.
BTW, there is a strict criteria for admission to catholic schools. I know this from my own experience and that of my son and grandchildren.
That's why I struggle to understand why the parents don't consider RE to be significant/important

bakebeans · 08/05/2024 21:20

ladybirdsanchez · 08/05/2024 12:35

As it is a Catholic school, students must take RS at GCSE.

I think this your issue OP. I have some experience of this, as both my DC almost ended up at a Catholic secondary school and having to do RS at GCSE was seen as a downside for us. I think it's an interesting and valuable subject and I'd have been perfectly happy for my DC to take it, if they'd chosen to do so. Being forced to 'use up' one of their valuable subject choices on a subject that they probably wouldn't have chosen though? That's not great, either for the DC or the poor teachers of that subject, who will then have quite a few disengaged students in their classroom. I feel for you, I really do.

i can understand OP. The two Catholic schools near me and the two Church of England schools are highly sought after due to being high performing and successful which parents are appealing for their kids to get in but to then say don’t bother with RE?

Bournetilly · 08/05/2024 21:14

I didn’t go to a religious school but everyone had to take GCSE RE. I don’t think it’s important (sorry), also had no interest in it but I did end up with a good grade as I didn’t want to end up getting a lower grade in one subject.

The only subjects that really matter are maths, English and science IMO. If you pass these you can take any subject/ course at sixth form or college regardless of whether you took it at GCSE.

Blarn · 08/05/2024 21:12

ttcat37 · 08/05/2024 20:51

No. I am anti religion so I would not want my child to be taught in any detail about religion given the option. I would want them to be taught enough to know why religious people do the stuff they do so they can be tolerant of them. But imo this could be taught in PSE or today’s equivalent. Ridiculous that we spend more time teaching about religion than about relationships, money, budgeting, DIY, interview skills etc etc.

But that view is ridiculous. Learning about religion can help with understanding about why the world is as it is. Shall we not teach wars or communism or colonialism? Lots of people are anti all those but we still teach them as it explains a lot of how we got to where we are now. It's like people refusing to engage with science as they don't want to know and end up being fearful of medicines or 5G.

SoupChicken · 08/05/2024 21:11

CharlotteBog · 08/05/2024 20:48

OP is teaching RE in a Catholic secondary school. Why would you send your child to such a school and then show no respect for how it teaches.

Because many parents don’t have much choice, my kids go to a C of E school despite it being C of E, not because of it. Similarly I went to a Catholic sixth form because that was what was available unless you wanted to go to a vocational college in the next town over.

DevastatedParent · 08/05/2024 21:08

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 19:13

I am actually shocked by the "it's not important" comments.
There is currently a war happening in the Middle East which is essentially one religion vs another religion. Hatred in this country (the UK) towards asylum seekers is shocking and a lot of that is down to ignorance and myths/untruths about people's faith and beliefs.
The comments on Facebook adverts for products like food and clothes sold at shops like M+S etc for Eid were shocking, embarrassing and frankly quite scary. Shocking and scary because so many believe so much racist crap. Embarrassing because people don't seem to know basics.
People were actually saying "I'm never shopping there again" because they advertised children's clothes for Eid celebrations.
I mean why? Just why?
Many adults in this country really do seem to think that there are conspiracies to turn the UK into a Muslim country. They believe that events like St George's Day have been banned.
In my hometown planning permission for a Sikh temple was turned down because so many people were against it. But apparently some of the objections were things like "I don't want to hear the call to prayer" 🙄 (wrong religion...).
It is important....so very important to learn and understand the different faiths. If we don't know and understand - how can we respect each other and live together?

@Needmorelego If RE actually taught ANY of the things you mention I wouldn’t see it as pointless. But at my catholic school it incited more hatred by teaching Christianity as the ‘right’ religion.

Gatehouse77 · 08/05/2024 21:08

I 100% agree with you that RE is an important subject but the curriculum needs a complete overhaul.

I don’t agree that you need a formal qualification in it.

TheMoth · 08/05/2024 21:04

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ttcat37 · 08/05/2024 21:04

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 20:53

@ttcat37 relationships, money, interview skills etc usually come under PHSE.
Schools already do that.

Yes, I’m aware. More time should be spent on those subjects than religion. Just as money or relationships might have a small chunk of a PSE lesson, religion should have the same. Then the space left by religion in the timetable could be used for much more valuable life skills. 10 or 15 minutes on religion in PSE, spend the new free hour on the aforementioned subjects

Sweden99 · 08/05/2024 20:59

OP, you are doing a great job. Wonderful.

I am a scientist. I have worked with vaccines for years. Some people learned "Vaccines stop the disease", so when it is not that simple they got upset at science.

You are teaching RE at a Catholic school, so they they will learn evoloution and big bang, but because a few parents learned "Daddy in the sky" they will think there is nothing more to it.

You are in the right.

YANU

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 20:53

@ttcat37 relationships, money, interview skills etc usually come under PHSE.
Schools already do that.

Needmorelego · 08/05/2024 20:52

@SoupChicken by that theory most GCSEs that teens are required to do they shouldn't have to.
When I was at school I had zero interest in science and french. Was a bit "meh" about PE. Thought I liked English Literature but actually I was irritated by it.
50% of my GCSEs I wasn't interested in but they were compulsory.

ttcat37 · 08/05/2024 20:51

No. I am anti religion so I would not want my child to be taught in any detail about religion given the option. I would want them to be taught enough to know why religious people do the stuff they do so they can be tolerant of them. But imo this could be taught in PSE or today’s equivalent. Ridiculous that we spend more time teaching about religion than about relationships, money, budgeting, DIY, interview skills etc etc.

AndromacheAstyanax · 08/05/2024 20:49

It’s a very valuable subject to study and a respected qualification. It teaches critical thinking, discursive writing, cultural awareness, and (since you are at a Catholic school) a deep understanding of Christianity and Judaism. There is plenty of usable and transferable knowledge here which will be valuable in a variety of future study and work, and to enrich living. I am very sorry you have parents who disregard it as it’s miserable as a teacher giving your all to a subject which parents don’t value. Your school and diocese, however, will not undervalue RS, which is seen as the ‘core of the core’. Good luck to your pupils.

CharlotteBog · 08/05/2024 20:48

SoupChicken · 08/05/2024 20:37

No, I don’t think it’s important at all and I think it’s a disgrace that children are forced into it at the expense of something they might actually be interested in.

Where I grew up there was one sixth form in the whole town so if you wanted to go there you had to do RE and I treated it with the same distain your students and parents did. It’s just not important as an obligatory academic subject past year 9.

OP is teaching RE in a Catholic secondary school. Why would you send your child to such a school and then show no respect for how it teaches.