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Touching himself on public transport

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froggirl · 08/05/2024 08:34

I was on the bus earlier this week and a guy in his 40's sat across from me was manspreading and squeezing/ fondling his dick. I'm a woman in my 30's.

It was grim. But I didn't say anything. I just got off the bus.

It was one of those awkward situations where I wasn't sure if it was anything to do with me as a woman sat near to him, or if he was just doing it because he felt entitled to/ couldn't leave his dick alone for the short bus ride home.

I didn't feel sure enough that he was deliberately intimidating me, to do anything about it. Maybe he was aware of this and getting off on it.

I'm normally a fairly assertive person and felt ashamed that I didn't call him out on what he was doing - AIBU to not have said anything - what would you have done?

Any tips for if I am in this situation again that will make me feel more empowered?

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froggirl · 08/05/2024 15:08

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:06

“People like me” 😂😂😂

Why are you trying to make someone who has experienced something distressing feel more shit? 😐 you know there is an actual human here? Who is actually pretty upset about this experience?

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WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:06

“People like me” 😂😂😂

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:06

froggirl · 08/05/2024 15:03

On the previous page you posted arguing with a poster who said he might be 'self soothing' saying that was a dangerous stereotype.

I honestly don't know what you are on about.

If someone tells you a man is fondling and squeezing his dick whilst manspreading, that means he's masturbating.

I said it’s a dangerous stereotype because it is. Nothing excuses an adult/adolescent male playing with their genitals in public view. None of this changes the fact that you don’t seem to feel strongly enough about it to report it, even though you have asked for tips on what to do 🤷‍♀️

froggirl · 08/05/2024 15:05

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:03

So, you are not going to report it? What’s the actual point of this post then? You have asked if you were BU not to do anything - and in my view, which you obviously don’t like, you were!

No, because when people like you on a website purportedly for women, are arguing with me and making me feel like I have to defend myself, I don't exactly want to speak to the police about it.

I'm leaving this thread now.

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froggirl · 08/05/2024 15:03

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:01

Thats quite different from masturbating.

On the previous page you posted arguing with a poster who said he might be 'self soothing' saying that was a dangerous stereotype.

I honestly don't know what you are on about.

If someone tells you a man is fondling and squeezing his dick whilst manspreading, that means he's masturbating.

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WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:03

froggirl · 08/05/2024 14:59

Well not quite. The definition of victim is "a person who has suffered harm, including physical, mental or emotional harm or economic loss which was directly caused by a criminal offence".

I had to get off the bus because his actions made me feel unsafe, ergo caused mental/ emotional harm. The victims of crimes such as public indecency, indecent exposure etc are the public or whoever witnesses it and is caused mental or emotional harm by it.

I didn't really expect I'd be defining victim blaming here, but I'm a little bit shocked by the fact that some people are telling me to report a crime, and others are telling me I'm not a victim.

I don't think I will get anywhere reporting a crime which had no victims 😒

So, you are not going to report it? What’s the actual point of this post then? You have asked if you were BU not to do anything - and in my view, which you obviously don’t like, you were!

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 15:01

Thats quite different from masturbating.

froggirl · 08/05/2024 15:00

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 14:57

I am not saying anything, you were there and only you know how you feel about it. It’s not for me to ascribe you victim status or not. Your description of the males behaviour was notably blunter when you directly made the reference to him masturbating, which you omitted in your initial post. As for having to defend yourself, nobody is asking you to do that - but some of your posts have been at odds with others, and some posters are picking up on that.

I said he was fondling and squeezing his dick. Don't be so obtuse.

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froggirl · 08/05/2024 14:59

Sillystrumpet · 08/05/2024 14:26

A victim is someone who has been hurt, damaged, killed, by an event. I understand the op sees herself as a victim by simply being a witness. But many disagree,

Well not quite. The definition of victim is "a person who has suffered harm, including physical, mental or emotional harm or economic loss which was directly caused by a criminal offence".

I had to get off the bus because his actions made me feel unsafe, ergo caused mental/ emotional harm. The victims of crimes such as public indecency, indecent exposure etc are the public or whoever witnesses it and is caused mental or emotional harm by it.

I didn't really expect I'd be defining victim blaming here, but I'm a little bit shocked by the fact that some people are telling me to report a crime, and others are telling me I'm not a victim.

I don't think I will get anywhere reporting a crime which had no victims 😒

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WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 14:57

froggirl · 08/05/2024 14:52

So you are saying that as I saw it, I'm a direct victim?

Not sure what you mean by the description of behaviour changing and I'm also not quite sure why I'm having to defend myself.

I am not saying anything, you were there and only you know how you feel about it. It’s not for me to ascribe you victim status or not. Your description of the males behaviour was notably blunter when you directly made the reference to him masturbating, which you omitted in your initial post. As for having to defend yourself, nobody is asking you to do that - but some of your posts have been at odds with others, and some posters are picking up on that.

froggirl · 08/05/2024 14:52

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 13:56

Anyone who saw this could be a direct victim. Those that didn’t see it could also report it if they became aware of it later on - eg, the bus driver. I see your description of the man’s behaviour has also changed!

So you are saying that as I saw it, I'm a direct victim?

Not sure what you mean by the description of behaviour changing and I'm also not quite sure why I'm having to defend myself.

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ouch321 · 08/05/2024 14:48

Report it but don't expect any action. I was groped on the bus and whilst the initial response from transport police was good after they said they would check CCTV I never heard from them again. But my main aim was to have a record of it so that if he had done it or will in future do it to others, they have my incident so they can build up a pictire of behaviour.

Brefugee · 08/05/2024 14:45

Allfur · 08/05/2024 14:39

Men pissing in public gets on my nerves too, although most recently it was an old man dog walker in a Bush, assumed he had old man bladder

funny how few old-lady-bladders get caught like that. Because they stay home rather than piss in a bush because that is inacceptable.

I go to football, we have toilets outside our stadium. Nice new and clean. But so many men seem to want to piss in the bushes rather than walk an extra 50 metres to the toilets. And the temptation to walk over, peer over their shoulder and shout back to my mates "aw, it's just like a penis but very small" is tempered by the knowledge of what would happen next.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 08/05/2024 14:42

Tell the driver or leave him to do the same thing to another woman or girl. That’s the easy choice if you can’t face a confrontation. But I’d most definitely taken a recording and reported him.

Allfur · 08/05/2024 14:39

Men pissing in public gets on my nerves too, although most recently it was an old man dog walker in a Bush, assumed he had old man bladder

GnomeDePlume · 08/05/2024 14:38

@froggirl DD says she has witnessed this and also flashing while on buses many times. She said she tells the driver who then deals with the offending passenger by making them get off.

For some people, getting caught is part of the thrill. For some it is about power. For some it is just thoughtlessness, forgetting they are in a public place.

Whatever the motivation, DD said the driver has alway been courteous to her and steadfast with the offending passenger.

Sheffield by the way.

Bearpawk · 08/05/2024 14:36

Did it seem sexual? Did he have an erection?
I only ask because lots of blokes like to hold their junk (usually at home in front of the tv or whatever) in a comforting way which is not sexual. Obviously not appropriate for public off course, not excusing that.
But if he wasn't aroused and was 'bobbing away to music' I'd assume it was the latter. In which case I'd have probably called him out on it, less likely to be a potential rapist who may harm me and more likely to be absent minded and not have realised how bad it looks.

Sillystrumpet · 08/05/2024 14:26

A victim is someone who has been hurt, damaged, killed, by an event. I understand the op sees herself as a victim by simply being a witness. But many disagree,

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 14:22

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2024 14:20

Yes, it is.

We will have to agree to disagree. OP asked for tips, and she has been given them. Many of them centre around reporting.

HRTQueen · 08/05/2024 14:21

best thing to do is report him

it easy to say I would have said this or done that but you were shocked and that throws us we don’t always react like we think we would

he was deliberately intimidating you disgusting man

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2024 14:20

WinterMorn · 08/05/2024 12:19

It’s not victim blaming at all, it’s fact! If this isn’t addressed, it WILL continue.

Yes, it is.

Brefugee · 08/05/2024 14:18

TheIceQween · 08/05/2024 14:05

How long were they down there? Could it have been a quick readjust situ?

sometimes my knickers get stuck in my crack. I don't go all splayed legged on the bus and readjust them. And nor should men.

Startingagainandagain · 08/05/2024 14:06

You can still report it to the bus operators.

Most buses have CCTV and he can be identified.

TheIceQween · 08/05/2024 14:05

How long were they down there? Could it have been a quick readjust situ?

Brefugee · 08/05/2024 13:59

Any tips for if I am in this situation again that will make me feel more empowered?

Tell the driver when you get off. Report to the police. If more people would do this maybe, just maybe, for once the plod might get off their backsides and do something about intimidation and harassment of women (although - i will not hold my breath since usually you have to get murdered for them to prick up half an ear). Buses have CCTV. If you tell the driver and ask them to have that checked, you might catch someone.

Flashing, for eg, is a gateway crime to much worse.

Do you feel you could get your phone out and film? I don't think i would, depending on circs, so this is only an option for very confident people.

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