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***TW*** Sexual intimidation - To think that this is what almost every woman goes through.

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PurplePink45 · 07/05/2024 23:23

Just watching the documentary on the Kevin Spacey allegations.

Watching a man talking about how scared and intimidated he felt, how he felt so uncomfortable being around him and wondered what he did to deserve this unwanted attention.

I had empathy for the man but I wish all of the men watching would understand how often that happens to women and not just once in a lifetime, but multiple times from a very young age (preteen).

I want to say this is our norm and it bloody well shouldn't be!

For me it was:
Age 12, 2 boys in my class at school touching my breasts and putting their hands up my skirt.

Age 15 A boy being pushing about wanting to kiss me even though I said no.

Age 16 A man at work in his 60s trying to cop a feel/touching me inappropriately and making me feel intimidated.

Age 18 Being rescued by my male friend as a boy tried to persuade the very drunk me to go further than I wanted to and not taking no for an answer.or picking up the "no" signals like moving their hand off your breasts.

Feeling intimidated multiple times by men hooting me and wolf whistling/inappropriate comments from men when walking the streets.

And many, many other acts of male sexual intimidation since then.

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ilovesooty · 08/05/2024 02:46

MistyGreenAndBlue · 08/05/2024 01:01

Yes. It's the water we swim in. The air we breathe. It starts way too young and colours our whole lives.

I'm sorry that it's been like that for you, but it's not every woman's experience.

alexdgr8 · 08/05/2024 01:35

i guess it's a bit like behaviour in the wild, in natural history programmes, the difference between predator and prey.
one tries not to be noticed, or cowers hoping not to be attacked, as a survival strategy.
the other struts around dominating the space.
except we are meant to have evolved from being wild animals, else why have laws.

so many men, decent reliable men, are genuinely surprised to learn of the constant hassle women have to cope with, and from a v young age.
always calculating the least worst option, routes, parking, keys in hand, dodging and diving.
wary alertness is exhausting, and so limiting.
it's men that need to change.
starting by being aware of what 99% of women and girls have to live with.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/05/2024 01:19

Yep. From 11 years old. And it's only really stopping now in my 50s. I was 'lucky' I was 11 TBH compared to several friends who had CSA younger than that.

I have a male friend who spoke about being picked up in a gay bar and how intimidated he felt. I said, "yeah like being a woman". He didn't understand at all. One night he literally saved me from a groping scumbag. Like WTF dude, you literally saw it happen to me.

GaryLurcher19 · 08/05/2024 01:07

I suspect most women experienced sexually threatening behaviour, if not fully abusive behaviour, from a very young age. I was 11 the first time I was flashed at.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 08/05/2024 01:01

Yes. It's the water we swim in. The air we breathe. It starts way too young and colours our whole lives.

BobbyBiscuits · 08/05/2024 00:58

The spacey thing was grim. It felt like he was more desperate to hide his homosexuality than ever make amends.
I've been abused and raped many times. The first couple were female. Men were worse. Horrible for anyone experiencing it.
I can only say I guess I'm glad some people don't understand the burden of it all.

HRTQueen · 08/05/2024 00:53

YANBU

men just don’t get this how constant it is how you learn to navigate being in public to try and avoid this how being in a space with a man can make you feel nervous

even something as simple as walking in a busy area a station or a pub how women will shrink in to their bodies and weave about and how men do not

It’s happened to often to list thankfully it rare now but seem to have more aggression directed at me i guess if I was young these men would be letching over me

no it shouldn’t be the norm but this conversation will always tried to be silenced by some