To think most women on here hate men

I'm going to assume you're being purposefully antagonistic so I'm not going to respond to you-I have included enough information in my previous posts (and there's plenty of literature out there that you can read) on the importance of accounting for biological differences in any conversation about "equality".

@PamPamPamPam Eh?!! What has periods got to do with anything?!

Go for it, it's sounds like an interesting topic for a thread and would stop derailing this one

Men have had lower life expectancies for decades, probably longer, and yet worked an extra five years up until recently.

Men didn't set the lower retirement age for women from the goodness of their heart.

The reason is because men usually married younger women so they needed women to retire early in order to care for the retired man in the home, as well as to provide care for elders.

It's because of today's feminists that the government are making it law new non-domestic buildings in England must have single-sex toilets.

It's because of today's feminists in South America that that they have secured several landmarks that legalise abortion during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy.

It's because of today's feminists in Scotland that Scotland passed the Period Products bill, which makes free menstrual products available in public restrooms.

What is the reason men can't turn up to talks about men's health problems?
Maybe we can start a thread on this. I can already give quite a number of valid reasons from their perspective. Until recently, women didn't like to talk about the menopause either. Why was that?

I mean I'm talking about workplace sponsored events about gendered health issues

What is the reason men can't turn up to talks about men's health problems?

This.

Women are already showing up for men. If men won't show up for themselves then that's on them unfortunately
Here we go! Women have many reasons why they can't fight for themselves -which I agree with-, but men, no excuses whatsoever, if they can't fight for themselves, women are not interested in hearing why, it's their problem.

Standard MN!

Men have had lower life expectancies for decades, probably longer, and yet worked an extra five years up until recently.

The sheer stupidity of complaining on behalf of men that the retirement age was later for men when men were the ones setting the retirement age

Its like complaining to the staff that there's no one in on a Sunday when you are the boss and you set the working hours and haven't scheduled anyone in on a Sunday

You don't get to be the ones in charge, make the rules and then complain you don't like the rules.

Just a quick calculation: the average woman will spend nearly 6 years on their period over the course of their lives. These biological differences must be accounted for in order for us to achieve true equality.

Men are much worse at addressing health issues and part of that is the way our society dictates that men shouldn't complain/boys don't cry etc.

And you know who has dictated that society - men

I've never yet met a feminist who thinks men shouldn't complain or boys shouldn't cry. I've met plenty who have been willing to talk about why the patriarchy doesn't actually serve men either because of issues like this. But men have fought women every step of the way when they have tried to change this. Plenty of men have fought other men every step of the way when they have tried to change this.

And every once is awhile it would be nice to have a conversation around the abuse of women without someone popping up to derail the thread about men killing themselves and other men.

You want to do something around men's health and men's suicide rates go for it. You will probably find plenty of women support you. In fact in my workplace it was recently pointed out that loads of women turned up for evens around men's health to see how they could support the men in their lives. Yet hardly any men turned up for women's health events to see how they could support women in their lives...

Women are already showing up for men. If men won't show up for themselves then that's on them unfortunately

@CurlewKate, read my comment again. It wouldn't be me describing him like that, but how many posters would choose to interpret it to suit their narrative of male abuse.

@MarioIa but again, it is not our society dictating anything, it is men who are doing the dictating. Bar the last 75 or so years, they have been solely in charge! As I've said, they need to get their own house in order.

And you could do with looking at the difference between equality and equity as the two terms are used interchangeably and often incorrectly. Women cannot just be treated like men in pursuit of equality. We are completely different. Women spend 30+ years menstruating, women give birth, women go through menopause etc etc. Women need additional support as a result of their biology. Give me an extra 5 years at work instead of the physical, psychological and emotional toll of periods, menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing any day!

I actually agree somewhat on the Self ID/trans issue, although I'm slightly conflicted as for many it seems to have usurped a lot of equally important issues and many posters have become monomaniacal about it.

But women needing to prioritise their health like men have for years? I'm not sure this is the case. Men are much worse at addressing health issues and part of that is the way our society dictates that men shouldn't complain/boys don't cry etc.

Men have had lower life expectancies for decades, probably longer, and yet worked an extra five years up until recently. And now women are possibly going to receive compensation for the inconvenience of equality being implemented whilst men get nothing for all those extra years worked.

If women had been working five years longer we'd never have heard the end of it!

Damn straight.

A mere 20 minutes on the FWR boards would disavail you of that particular illusion, @MarioIa, although doubtless your disdain of feminists and feminism would preclude you from actually reading something concrete about it.

Had you done so, you'd be aware that many feminists are as impatient and angry with 'identity politics' as your average person. Not least, they are actively, fiercely and bravely opposing this - 'bravely' to the tune that some have already lost their livelihoods and others been subject to death and rape threats - for doing so. They are tirelessly challenging this nonsense in the courts, and if legal precedent is anything to go by, are largely winning (albeit sometimes it's a pyrrhic victory).

The feminists of today are courageous and scrupulous fighters. There's nothing approximating 'victimhood' about their behaviour. Ask Kathleeen Stock, Sarah Phillimore, Sarah Summers, Jo Phoenix, Maya Forstater, or groups like Fair Play for Women, Fair Cop, For Women Scotland, and numerous others.

You, meaning nothing disrespectfully of course, don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Fair comment.

Please stop burbling MRA nonsense at me, thanks.

@MarioIa I can actually understand your frustration when it comes to the identity politics issue, but it's important to separate that from feminism. That actually has absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and ID activists have more in common with MRAs than with feminists.

Perfect example: future generations of women will thank the feminists of today for sticking their heads out of the parapet to denounce the ID nonsense (while risking their own careers and mental health to do so), and for ensuring that women's hard-won sex-based protections are not trampled upon. Would the Cass Review have happened without those brave feminists? I doubt it. That's what feminism does, and ID politics actually represents the single biggest threat to feminism in the last few generations.

The current nutters with all their identity politics nonsense aren't anything like the feminists of decades past. Most feminists nowadays seem less capable than the average woman. Always looking for ways to be a victim/oppressed whilst the rest of us just get on with it.

Oh I'm going with happy accident 🤣🤣

Do you have a job? Do you own or rent a house in your own name? Have you ever opened a line of credit? Did you go to university? Have you ever voted? Do you drive a car? Have you ever taken birth control? I hate to break it to you but if you do any of the above (plus countless other examples) then you have directly benefited from the work of all those pesky feminists that came before you, and you should appreciate that and thank them.

The work that the pesky feminists of today are doing will have a positive impact on the lives of women in future generations.

And all your so-called examples from your previous posts (none of which have any citations to back them up by the way) miss the fundamental point: patriarchy created the society we live in. If this society is causing more men to be depressed etc. that is still the fault of men. They need to look at themselves and get their house in order.

Women cannot be the constant labourers and sorter outers of everything I'm afraid. We should prioritise our needs and our health for once, just like men have done for millennia.

But that's not what happens.

Most MNers are very fair, too fair at times. When a woman posts that it's her birthday and her partner hasn't made any fuss of her, invariably posters will respond with 'Could he be planning a surprise?'

You're seeing what you want to see, OP.

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But do they know they're humorous? Or is that a happy accident?