To think most women on here hate men

You cannot just make a point like that with no nuance, it's ridiculous
That is exactly my point. The post didn't offer any nuance, certainly to start with, but it didn't stop posters to character assassinate him.

The OP was just angry that he was talking about their arguments with his mum. Something that posters do on MN every day knowing that it could be published nationally but that's absolutely fine!

I think for me it’s that the older I get the more I realise that nearly all men are parasites on women, the good ones too.

Some women are parasites on men but only the bad ones.

I'll qualify you comments with the important word, SOME women

OP

I would disagree with the title, "Most" women hate men and that is not factual, not even on this site, IMHO.
IMO, there is a small group of people that have it in for men for whatever reason and almost always slag of men even without taking in the full story or as it is drip fed.

IMO, some women, just like some men have had such an awful experience with the other sex that for whatever reason, they go anti, the opposite sex. Sadly, the majority will not admit that, but IMO it is what it is

We have a relative. Young lady and people often tell her she is good-looking, compliments from both sexes. However, she will not remarry as she has lost trust in men because she found out that her partner she was to marry, dates set etc, he was a cheat - he begged forgiveness but she rightly so never did. Then she got married a few years later and a few months down the road found out he was having an affair with his ex GF. This young lady does not trust men when it comes to love and had will not go exclusive with any male.

We must keep open minds and when people post here for guidance/etc, I almost always remind them that what others are often saying without thinking, ie LTB, it is easier said than done. Therefore, I rarely say that unless it is blatantly obvious

Idk if most, but I do.
Happened after I hit 42.
I don't hate my husband.
😁

'Articulate' does not equate to 'abusive'.

If this observation were being made about men, the word would be 'assertive'.
Cf. the number of times language like 'bossy' is used to apply to men as opposed to women.

The language used to describe men and women - even the way in which men and women use language - is different. This has been definitely proven by linguistics, Deborah Cameron, for one.

Language matters.

Same here. They wouldn't consider me to be a feminist, and if I did complete their poll I would not be able to identify myself as a feminist in accordance with their definition of what a feminist is.

It's always important to question the data.

You cannot just make a point like that with no nuance, it's ridiculous.

If he was talking to his mother about how he is struggling with an aspect of his relationship and he needed guidance that's one thing.

If he was talking to his mother and painting his wife to be an ungrateful nutcase (which is often what happens) then that's another.

And again, if he is talking to his friends about his relationship with a degree of respect and sensitivity towards his partner then great. But I have heard how men talk about their partners to each other. I have heard them talk about their partners' bodies, sexual activities, secrets, past issues etc. An old male friend of mine once told me that the only reason he was going to see his fiancée that night was to get a fuck. That is not on.

How many women here have been told about the "crazy ex girlfriend"?

You genuinely have no idea of the way that most men talk about women when women are out of the room. It is often gross and terrifying in equal measure.

Instead of berating women for always thinking the worst of men, maybe you should wonder why?

Women aren't born hating men. We learn to mistrust them through our own experiences of them.

We don't hate you sweetie, we just think some of you need to grow up a bit.

@MarioIa when you say: "It's always been a few powerful men at the top and the rest as cannon fodder. I wouldn't want to have been a man in the trenches during
WW1/WW2 or right now in Ukraine tbh." You do realise that underneath that layer of canon fodder is where women reside in the scheme of things?

Would I rather be the most powerful member of the most disadvantaged group or the least powerful member of the most advantaged? 🤔

Men are more likely to choose a more violent method than women.
More women attempt suicide.
There’s a theory I was discussing recently (don’t read on if you find suicide triggering) with a friend who is a mental health worker that suggests that women, even in the depths of suicidal depression, still put other people’s feelings ahead of their own, as they are conditioned to do, and possibly won’t choose more violent methods as they are considering who might find them and how that would affect them.
My friend worked in a hospital with both men and women, and felt that this explained the fact that men complete suicide more than women, even though women attempt at nearly 2 times the rate.

And I've heard that argument so many times on here about men needing to sort their own issues out, but feminists will often actively object against things like International Men's Day
That reminds me of a not long ago thread where the poster complained that her OH dared talk about their relationship issues with his mum. The poor guy did get a beating on that thread! How dare he show a sensitive side to him, open his heart to someone he trust, a mature female voice, to seek advice! No,such men are called mummy's boys and according to MNer's, that's a very unattractive trait.

If he spoke to his male mate, that would be just as bad. So he's left to not talk to anyone. Oh wait, that's bad too because it's their fault if they don't open up!

I dont think some mum netters see how abusive they sound in their post sometimes.
I also read and notice how so many women twist things.

“fucking hell, what a mean bunch!” And “poor men”, and eventually you recognise what they are saying in your own life
Alternatively, after 10 years or more, you feel even more for the 'poor men' and hope your sons won't fall under the claws of a MNer's descent 😁*

But only 7% of UK women identify as feminists going by the study done by the feminist org Fawcett Society.

You mean, feminist as defined by the Fawcett Society who are going through a bizarre phase of thinking that the sex class women can include men?

I wouldn't 'identify as' a Fawcett Society-style feminist either.

@Tanyahawkes I was going to post something similar recently. MN had been reading like the equivalent of an incel chat room recently. Always backed up by those who tell us that is OK to hate a human based on the body they were born into because the statistics show they are more likely to commit crimes or assault etc.

The troubling thing for me is many of these posters are parents. They are instilling hatred into a girl or shame into a boy, its like feeding poison to an innocent mind.

But only 7% of UK women identify as feminists going by the study done by the feminist org Fawcett Society. I think it's naive to think that men aren't massively influenced by women. Part of the reason why men don't want to appear weak is because women on the whole prefer assertive men.

And I've heard that argument so many times on here about men needing to sort their own issues out, but feminists will often actively object against things like International Men's Day.

Some examples that spring to mind are the councillor Jess Phillips sniggering in parliament as a man outlines his proposal to have a day to talk about things like male suicide (the no1 killer of men under 50). When he asks her what's so funny she replies "oh well, every day is men's day".

I was cringing because we're talking about the single biggest killer of young men and obviously the men committing suicide probably weren't living the dream. If this had been a man laughing as a woman talks about other women dying he'd have likely lost his job.

Anotht example I read about on here was York University cancelling IMD due to a petition signed by 300 feminists. They released a statement saying that they would 'instead focus on the problems faced by women'. And this was days after a male student committed suicide.

So, I'm not in any way downplaying the issues we face as women. It's just naive to think that life is a walk in the park for men and most people spouting this rubbish don't even have a good overview of the facts, they just parrot what they've read online.

It's always been a few powerful men at the top and the rest as cannon fodder. I wouldn't want to have been a man in the trenches during
WW1/WW2 or right now in Ukraine tbh.

Forgot to add the rules of misogyny!

This made me think.

It seems that on most MNetters hate pretty much everything here.
That’s why I most likely keep coming to this place.
I’m a miserable bastard and enjoy reading people being even more angry about things than I am.

It's strange as when I was younger I generally enjoyed the company of men more. Do they start off nice and become knobheads as they get older?!

Many of us grow up with poor male behaviour as standard. Brought up to believe that this is how men behave, and women are the ones who are the default parent, default cook, cleaner, bottle washer, who allows her incredible husband to treat her badly, because she literally doesn’t know any better.

Then you get older, and if you’re lucky you stumble across MN and the FWR boards or you see the advice given, and you start off thinking “fucking hell, what a mean bunch!” And “poor men”, and eventually you recognise what they are saying in your own life - in your husband, your father, your brother, your friend, and you slowly come to the realisation that you’ve put up with this socially accepted bullshit for long enough.
You wonder how your mother, sister, sister in law, aunt, neighbour haven’t seen it, while they’re still defending their dickish partners. And they may not be perfect themselves, but they are still the ones doing the metaphorical heavy lifting within the family, as happens in the majority of families, even when they don’t recognise it.
You see it in more men than you could ever imagine, you see the injustice of women being called out for being able to see it (going to add The Rules of Misogyny at the end for anyone who hasn’t seen them yet!).

The men were always the same, it’s women who learn to see and stop putting up with it.

There’s a reason why liberal feminism has been accepted by patriarchal societies, and that’s because it centres men. It calls sex work and porn empowering, blindly ignoring trafficking and the danger these women are often in. Who benefits from prostitutes and porn? Mostly men.
The women spewing this “sex work is work” nonsense tend to be women who are still at the stage where they are pickme’s who still desperately want to please men.

I agree.

Fair enough if the bloke concerned is drug addled wife beater etc but when you get someone saying ‘he’s a hard worker, passionate, great with the kids, supportive of me but he went out for his brother’s stag night and woke up in the flowerbeds last night. The last time he got this pissed was for the millennium’ and everyone is responding ‘LTB, he’s clearly a functioning alcoholic’ and I’m thinking ‘really? You’d end a marriage for one mistake?’

You’ve clearly been completely brainwashed by your partner - LTB 😜