To think most women on here hate men

@ToveJanssonsWife So exactly what do housewives do at home all day when kids at school?

in situations of famine, crisis like natural disasters and war most men would try and help and protect women and children.

Haiti and Oxfam workers.
War and the inevitable rape and murder of women and children.
In situations like these men are not known for helping and protecting. I mean helping maybe, but with a payoff.

In my experience many men would rather work and avoid the drudgery of home life. Successful men usually have a wife at home whose support has allowed him to succeed.

The vast majority of wives are not ladies who lunch - that’s a rare and privileged thing! But it’s a real MRA thing to come from a point of suggesting this is the normal experience of a woman.

As for working into the ground - that’s not what I’ve seen of any men.

At the risk of being that poster, my husband says...

Things are always fine until they're not.

Some women are entirely supported by their partners but have protections in place so that they will be fine if they should become single one way or another. That's great. An awful lot haven't, though, and that's a classic case of things being fine until they're not. They may stay fine, which is great, but they may not...and then, they're not.

I would hope that if a woman is entirely supported, that's a joint and ongoing decision that the man is happy with. If it's not, then the person earning the money would appear to have more options available to them.

You know what pisses me up? That new argument about who would you rather be alone in the woods with, a bear or a man, I am sorry, I know there are a lot of men that are scum, but it's the same for women, you can't generalise. There are good men out there that care for and protect their families, men take the shitty jobs no one else would do, in situations of famine, crisis like natural disasters and war most men would try and help and protect women and children. I have a little boy and he is the most caring loving boy , and I am trying to bring him up so that he keeps these qualities after he turns into a man.

@ToveJanssonsWife Yes, because all men LOVE working themselves into the ground as they are expected to be the sole provider whilst their SAH wife regularly lunches(!)
Not luck. Boundaries.

yes they do, and many reach middle age and regret their choices, realising they’ve put themselves in a really vulnerable position.

I’ve advised my daughter to never be financially dependent on a man, it’s a very weak position to be in.

Here's a thought: if you don't want to be thought of as an MRA, don't espouse MRA beliefs. Holding those beliefs is what makes one an MRA.

As covered before Misandry isn’t really a thing because no man is harmed or in danger because of it, unlike women from misogyny.
Men are often put out because women expect the bare minimum from them.

It sounds like you’re in a really good position in your relationship - can you not have a little understanding that not everyone is as lucky as you?

So disappointing.

@PamPamPamPam You don't accept misogyny, but misandry is OK :)

@ToveJanssonsWife Some women accept it because they enjoy the lifestyle that comes with a wealthy husband/not having to work. Ever. They becme a "typical housewife" and are willing to accept an inbalance as are their husbands.

I can't answer for pp but I don't want maternity leave, I want parental leave for both parents that is more than just 2 weeks for fathers.

Yet so predictable.

Well lucky old you!

The point is that many women cannot recognise that their husbands are misogynistic pigs because that’s the norm. They’ve grown up with it, they’ve had very few examples of decent behaviour from men and boys.

My opinions that I’ve shared here are based solely on my experiences and on what I’ve learnt over the last few decades, but apparently I’m wrong to suggest that my feelings of men in general are less favourable than they were when I was younger, to the point where I’d rather be single than live with a man.

I’d rather not be called a bitch at all, particularly when I’m trying to help younger women understand that they don’t have to put up with the shit they get from the men in their lives.

And here comes the personal attack. It's honestly so disappointing.

@PamPamPamPam Teaching was a hell of a lot better than it is now!!!
Clearly you do hate men. You seem an angry person too.
I don't - I'm married to one (who is a legend!) I just set the bar high.

What a joke that you think your posts here have given the impression that you are in any way reasonable or informed enough to have any right to judge how others are coming across.

In this thread, you have downplayed and minimised abuse (you acknowledge it only to try to get credence when you dismiss it), called it hatred when women are not silent about their trauma at the hands of men, drawn a parallel between men traumatising women and women being rude about it ("two wrongs don't make a right"), spoken an outright untruth about what is said on here and then, when this is pointed out, accused people of misunderstanding (they didn't) or just being wrong for not being nice enough to you about it, and painted yourself as the victim when people told you how it sounded.

I'm making a guess at what got my previous post deleted, since I've not been told and I know I didn't call you any names, so I won't say that part again...but clearly you saw it, so I'm satisfied.

There are a lot of bitter ex wives on here who love complaining about how terrible their lives were with a former husband/partner. Most of it is made up or exaggerated.

Well if you think that women the world over were absolutely fine up until 2010 when the Conservatives took over the UK government then there really isn't anything else I can say to you. I despair, I really do.

@PamPamPamPam I'm not going to keep going over this either, but it appears you are blaming every "ill" in society on men. I personally blame the Conservatives. The dire teacher recruitment and retention crisis in on them. I'm 20 years' qualified with a SEN specialism and I'm off in July to retrain. It can't come quick enough!

Men have got away with bad behaviour for so long .Women are supposed to be equal, however many are abused .sometimes not in an obvious way .LTB is said by many women who have suffered a drip drip sort of RL .where it starts off trivial and gets worse. Modern marriage means more not all women can at least get a shot of leaving if unhappy now. Years ago my DGMs friends DH made her walk a few steps behind pushing the pram containing his own DC!

I mean this with the greatest of respect but I really cannot keep going over the same thing. I have said on multiple occasions now that every aspect of society has historically been designed by men for men. That includes the way we live and the way we work. It includes how funding is allocated, which professions are valued and which are not.

There isn't the funding in teaching because that is a conscious decision that has been made by men in power.

Every single societal structure we have has a specific thought process behind it. And that thought process has been led by men who will focus predominantly on their own needs and values. None of this is accidental.

@PamPamPamPam Yes but let's be real, in what other job would you get this? Not being able to use the loo for hours on end...
It's not about misogyny here and all about budgets. Not enough staff.
Do you work in a school?

And who designed the standard school day in this way? Who decided one adult was enough for a classroom full of children? Why oh why does "society" place such little importance on the health and well-being of teachers? Come on now, please use some critical thinking skills.