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To think most women on here hate men

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:45

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

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MarioIa · 09/05/2024 07:58

AbFabDaaaaahling · 09/05/2024 07:55

I'm absolutely a feminist. But at the same time I don't hate all men. I'm married to one for a start.
That's not what feminism is about, surely?!!
I refuse to tar all men with the same brush.

Exactly my sentiments. Hating a group just because of a characteristic they were born with is the definition of bigotry. Because nobody is saying they only hate violent men. They're saying they hate men as a group due to the violent minority.

It's like hating all women because as a group they commit the majority of child abuse.

Comedycook · 09/05/2024 07:57

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 07:54

Do you really think men don't call women parasites? Especially the MRA types you're busy parroting?

Well exactly. Men say terrible things about women...I really don't think we need to tell women to be nicer about them.

MarioIa · 09/05/2024 07:57

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 07:54

Do you really think men don't call women parasites? Especially the MRA types you're busy parroting?

Well, I've not seen it. I've just seen women saying it on here.

CattlemanRevolver · 09/05/2024 07:56

Youdontevengohere · 07/05/2024 18:48

A lot of the men posted about on here are absolute cunts, to be fair.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

AbFabDaaaaahling · 09/05/2024 07:55

I'm absolutely a feminist. But at the same time I don't hate all men. I'm married to one for a start.
That's not what feminism is about, surely?!!
I refuse to tar all men with the same brush.

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 07:54

Do you really think men don't call women parasites? Especially the MRA types you're busy parroting?

MarioIa · 09/05/2024 07:53

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 07:47

It isn't sexism to state that men are responsible for male violence, which is the vast majority of all violence, whether the victims are women or men.

Race is not remotely similar. Sex is binary, there are men and there are women, and there are statistics demonstrating the behavioural differences. Races are, for a start, demographics that include men and women, so are different types of categories.

But calling men (even 'the good ones') 'parasites' isn't quite the same as just mentioning they commit male violence.

You couldn't get away with calling other demographic/protected characteristic in the same way. I reckon there'd be outrage if a man referred to women as 'parasites' for not working as much as men and prioritising earnings in a partner.

Catsmere · 09/05/2024 07:47

MarioIa · 09/05/2024 07:16

I'm making the point that while racism is generally seen as unacceptable in any circumstance, sexism seems to be considered fair game by some as long as they have 'reasons'.

These 'reasons' come across not dissimilar to the reasons racists give for spewing their bile - "forriners taking all the jobs" etc.

The trap people seem to fall into is thinking it's OK because they're surrounded by others that do it. Funnily enough, that's part of how the Jews were persecuted in fairly modern history. Everybody went along with it so it seemed normal and acceptable. Can't be racist if everybody else is doing it, right?

It isn't sexism to state that men are responsible for male violence, which is the vast majority of all violence, whether the victims are women or men.

Race is not remotely similar. Sex is binary, there are men and there are women, and there are statistics demonstrating the behavioural differences. Races are, for a start, demographics that include men and women, so are different types of categories.

WhatsTheProblemSarah · 09/05/2024 07:46

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 07:30

In the workplace, HR receives the largest number of complaints from women about other women. These complaints are often exaggerated and used to tarnish the reputation of the other person.
As the overseer of 16,000 employees, if I am made aware of such disputes, the involved parties will usually be managed out or handed a p45 immediately.. Similarly, on Mumsnet, some posts are gradually drip-fed to incite a reaction if everyone does not agree . Women sometimes bully other women to achieve their goals, and this issue is also prevalent on Mumsnet.

Some posters hate men and do all they can to gather a consensus online.

I'm not surprised at this. There was a thread on here ages ago with some really interesting studies linked. Basically, men work together much better than women, and a woman/man combo will collaborate better than two women.

Another Harvard study found that women are reluctant to help other women if they're more senior to them at work. A lot of posters were replying saying that they'd been bullied by other women. I believe it's also been found that men are more sympathetic in accommodating working mothers whilst women in senior roles have more of an expectation that other women 'make the same sacrifices I had to'.

5128gap · 09/05/2024 07:44

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 07:30

In the workplace, HR receives the largest number of complaints from women about other women. These complaints are often exaggerated and used to tarnish the reputation of the other person.
As the overseer of 16,000 employees, if I am made aware of such disputes, the involved parties will usually be managed out or handed a p45 immediately.. Similarly, on Mumsnet, some posts are gradually drip-fed to incite a reaction if everyone does not agree . Women sometimes bully other women to achieve their goals, and this issue is also prevalent on Mumsnet.

Some posters hate men and do all they can to gather a consensus online.

And some posters hate women, or are so keen to promote a male rights agenda that they are compelled to jump on to threads interrupting women supporting other women, minimising male bad behaviour, blaming the woman for her plight, and countering with stories of women who are allegedly just as bad or worse. These people have plenty of places where they could gather a consensus on line. But that's not enough. They want to come to a forum where by the sheer nature of the number of women seeking advice, there's going to be discussions that reveal men in a poor light, and use it as a vehicle to push their own agenda.

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 07:30

In the workplace, HR receives the largest number of complaints from women about other women. These complaints are often exaggerated and used to tarnish the reputation of the other person.
As the overseer of 16,000 employees, if I am made aware of such disputes, the involved parties will usually be managed out or handed a p45 immediately.. Similarly, on Mumsnet, some posts are gradually drip-fed to incite a reaction if everyone does not agree . Women sometimes bully other women to achieve their goals, and this issue is also prevalent on Mumsnet.

Some posters hate men and do all they can to gather a consensus online.

WhatsTheProblemSarah · 09/05/2024 07:21

It always seems to be those that claim to fight sexism that display the most sexist behaviour. 🤔

MarioIa · 09/05/2024 07:16

NonPlayerCharacter · 08/05/2024 15:59

You're the one who made the comparison, not me. Why do you think Jew on woman violence is comparable to man on woman violence if the stats are not comparable at all and if ethnicity isn't comparable to biological sex?

Or are you making a false equivalence?

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I'm making the point that while racism is generally seen as unacceptable in any circumstance, sexism seems to be considered fair game by some as long as they have 'reasons'.

These 'reasons' come across not dissimilar to the reasons racists give for spewing their bile - "forriners taking all the jobs" etc.

The trap people seem to fall into is thinking it's OK because they're surrounded by others that do it. Funnily enough, that's part of how the Jews were persecuted in fairly modern history. Everybody went along with it so it seemed normal and acceptable. Can't be racist if everybody else is doing it, right?

Aswellisnotoneword · 09/05/2024 00:32

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 20:28

I’ve linked 2, however some people with a different interpretation of these posts have done nothing but tell me I have no right to an opinion, I’m not saying it’s a black and white thing of comments, just a general vibe that comes across

You came out and said, in your OP, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard! Those are your exact words.

People (including me) said - I don't see that, can you show us what you mean? And you linked to 2 threads which did not in any way represent what you've claimed. You went on to summarise what you thought was said in those threads, which in fact didn't happen. That was pointed out to you, calmly and factually.

Now you've backtracked... "oh it's a viiiiiibe. I'm entitled to my opinion and not to be told it's wrong!"

The issue here is not that people are being awful to you for having an opinion, it's that some of your posts are actual lies, and you're using those lies to cast aspersions on other women, and they are quite rightly taking issue with that and debating it with you.

Catsmere · 08/05/2024 22:05

MarioIa · 08/05/2024 11:43

The current nutters with all their identity politics nonsense aren't anything like the feminists of decades past. Most feminists nowadays seem less capable than the average woman. Always looking for ways to be a victim/oppressed whilst the rest of us just get on with it.

That is at best "liberal feminism", which isn't feminism at all. Radical feminism (radical meaning the root, not extreme) is absolutely against identity politics and genderism, and recognises that it's part of a huge pushback against women's rights.

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 22:03

taleasoldashoney · 08/05/2024 22:00

You weren't responding to @NonPlayerCharacter in that post, so how could they possibly elaborate on what was meant by another poster?

I must admit I just realised I tagged the wrong poster in that one for the start of what I was referring to, but that particular poster is the one with the “I’m not stupid” etc

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Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 22:02

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2024 21:57

For heaven's sake, READ the messages you are responding to.

Your commentary about your intelligence is your own particular interpretation. It certainly doesn't respond to anything I've actually said. You're making another straw man against an argument which was never advanced (at least by me) in your direction in the first place.

I'll give you a helpful clue. I'll highlight again - directly C&Pd from my post - the comment of mine you take such issue with. We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong. The helpful clue is the second instance of the word 'not'.

Other readers can see the post you're responding to, you know? I haven't insulted you in the slightest. You're being disingenuous, as I believe you're aware. But if this is the way you wilfully misread and misrepresent others' posts, it's no wonder you've made such a hash of interpreting the content of the site overall, or of viewing this terrible 'misandry' you speak of in its accurate context.

You're mildly unintentionally funny - but becoming quite hard work.

If I have misunderstood that comment then I hold my hand up to that one, in the only defence I have for that is that this is the internet, typos so so often exist and I’m not to know if your comment contained a typo or not.

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taleasoldashoney · 08/05/2024 22:00

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 21:58

In my opinion, I was told that this thread would be entertaining, except I’m not very good at it, so in what way did the poster say the opposite of how I took it? Maybe @NonPlayerCharacter eould like to elaborate on what they meant by that, because if it’s not how it looks to me, then what was that? Or maybe when she quoted my “I’m not stupid” in a previous comment and said “I’ll leave it at that” or wording similar, was I wrong to believe that what was meant was “erm, well I actually think you are, but I need to seem nicer, because Mumsnet might agree that’s abuse”

You weren't responding to @NonPlayerCharacter in that post, so how could they possibly elaborate on what was meant by another poster?

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 21:58

taleasoldashoney · 08/05/2024 21:54

You literally twisted that posters words to try to make out they said the opposite of what they actually said

Your discussion is not healthy and you are now showing many of the traits that abusive people actually show, which makes it a lot clearer as to why you don't like it when posters recognise abusive relationships so quickly on MN threads.

In my opinion, I was told that this thread would be entertaining, except I’m not very good at it, so in what way did the poster say the opposite of how I took it? Maybe @NonPlayerCharacter eould like to elaborate on what they meant by that, because if it’s not how it looks to me, then what was that? Or maybe when she quoted my “I’m not stupid” in a previous comment and said “I’ll leave it at that” or wording similar, was I wrong to believe that what was meant was “erm, well I actually think you are, but I need to seem nicer, because Mumsnet might agree that’s abuse”

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SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2024 21:57

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 21:48

Another jab at my intelligence, this is really showing character, how people really feel they are entitled to speak to others. Insults are not a healthy discussion are they?

For heaven's sake, READ the messages you are responding to.

Your commentary about your intelligence is your own particular interpretation. It certainly doesn't respond to anything I've actually said. You're making another straw man against an argument which was never advanced (at least by me) in your direction in the first place.

I'll give you a helpful clue. I'll highlight again - directly C&Pd from my post - the comment of mine you take such issue with. We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong. The helpful clue is the second instance of the word 'not'.

Other readers can see the post you're responding to, you know? I haven't insulted you in the slightest. You're being disingenuous, as I believe you're aware. But if this is the way you wilfully misread and misrepresent others' posts, it's no wonder you've made such a hash of interpreting the content of the site overall, or of viewing this terrible 'misandry' you speak of in its accurate context.

You're mildly unintentionally funny - but becoming quite hard work.

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 21:54

NonPlayerCharacter · 08/05/2024 21:50

I have to agree. It's not about horrible women and wonderful men any more. It's not even about The Right To An Opinion (and I'm sure we all know what they say about those). It's just...stuff that doesn't make sense.

So what a lot of posters in here are making plain is, ladies need to only stick up for themselves against men. Not against other women online, because online women on women crap directed at each other is fair game, so long as it’s in solidarity against worthless opinions of stupid people. In your opinion of course. Yet Mumsnet clearly didn’t agree with a fair few of your posts towards me as they deleted them

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taleasoldashoney · 08/05/2024 21:54

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 21:48

Another jab at my intelligence, this is really showing character, how people really feel they are entitled to speak to others. Insults are not a healthy discussion are they?

You literally twisted that posters words to try to make out they said the opposite of what they actually said

Your discussion is not healthy and you are now showing many of the traits that abusive people actually show, which makes it a lot clearer as to why you don't like it when posters recognise abusive relationships so quickly on MN threads.

NonPlayerCharacter · 08/05/2024 21:50

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2024 21:46

you also state that we are not entitled to be told we are wrong

What I in fact stated was

We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong.

Kinell. It's like breaking rocks.

'I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant'.

You're having a giraffe, OP. I'm now convinced of it. This would be endlessly entertaining, only you're not really very good at it.

I have to agree. It's not about horrible women and wonderful men any more. It's not even about The Right To An Opinion (and I'm sure we all know what they say about those). It's just...stuff that doesn't make sense.

Tanyahawkes · 08/05/2024 21:48

SerafinasGoose · 08/05/2024 21:46

you also state that we are not entitled to be told we are wrong

What I in fact stated was

We are not entitled not to be told we're wrong.

Kinell. It's like breaking rocks.

'I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant'.

You're having a giraffe, OP. I'm now convinced of it. This would be endlessly entertaining, only you're not really very good at it.

Another jab at my intelligence, this is really showing character, how people really feel they are entitled to speak to others. Insults are not a healthy discussion are they?

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taleasoldashoney · 08/05/2024 21:48

The OP now appears to be trying to tell people what they have said, which is often in direct contradiction to what the posters have actually said, or is just made up on the spot, in order to pain themselves as a victim.

Almost like a bit of DARVO is going on....