To think most women on here hate men

@MarioIa again, go back to the root cause of the trafficking of domestic servants. Honestly it's really not that complicated.

Um, a lot of women are trafficked to become domestic servants. It's usually the woman of the house that's in charge of them. Many Filipino maids are terrified of the women they work for.

Most posters on here hate entitled, abusive, toxic male behaviour.

I really don't hate men. In general I like men. I'm well aware of the rape and violent crime stats but it doesn't put me off men as a whole. Maybe I've just been lucky but I've reached my late 40s and the vast majority of men I've met have been great. Yes I've met some unpleasant men over the years but I've also met plenty of awful women. In general I've had more problems with women in my life than I have with men.

When men hate women it's often because women are the gatekeepers to sex and that pisses them off. If women reject them it hurts their ego and that translates into hate.

That's quite different from women hating men based on the fact that they are the main perpetrators or sexual/violent crime

Women’s role in war is usually understated.
There is the biological aspect - in the two WWs the huge number of conscripted men was simply gunfodder. There is an argument that their lives did not need to be lost at all, and the fact that they were is down to the whims of a few powerful psychopathic men.
Women could not be allowed to die in those numbers as repopulation would have been a far longer process.

Women also successfully took on jobs that up to then men had only been allowed to do, and after the war there was an effort to get women back into the kitchen so the men could get back to their jobs. Women’s contribution has been very underplayed.

Women are also highly likely to be casualties of war, especially in occupied areas. This is usually overlooked.

No it actually wouldn't make you as bad. Women have not spent millennia harming, abusing, raping, torturing and killing men, so men have no need to fear us or hate us. It's not the same thing at all.

Your discussion is not healthy and you are now showing many of the traits that abusive people actually show, which makes it a lot clearer as to why you don't like it when posters recognise abusive relationships so quickly on MN threads
Similarly, one could claim that with the behaviours shown here by some, it's not surprising that some men don't let them psychologically manipulate them and that's why their experiences with men tend to always be negative.

Some posters are just incredibly naive if they believe they get a rounded view of someone's behaviour by reading just one sided account of the situation.

It's ok to advise to recognise potential abuse and what to do in this instance. It's not ok nor helpful to jump right in insisting that the man is obviously an abuser because of what is written by one angry person at a specific time or assuming he must be because...he's a man.

@SerafinasGoose it's such a strange stance isn't it? Pretty much every single example these couple of posters have given has male violence, entitlement and abuse still as the root cause. An entire industry exists because of it and look at what they focus on.

I don’t hate men, I’m surrounded by the nicest men you could wish. However I do know that not all men are like this.

"Exactly my sentiments. Hating a group just because of a characteristic they were born with is the definition of bigotry. Because nobody is saying they only hate violent men. They're saying they hate men as a group due to the violent minority."

@MarioIa who is "they" who are saying they hate men as a group? The vast majority of posters have focused on specific aspects of male behaviour that make women fearful and uncomfortable, not to mention that continue to cause untold damage to the world. How many have actually said they hate men though?

This is what I was getting at. Either you stand with the good ones and try and change things or you just stoop to the level of those you're complaining about and become a hypocrite.

It's like hating all women because as a group they commit the majority of child abuse.

There are 11 million single parents in USA, over 80% are women.
The data about child abuse is highly skewed because of that, and an unreliable source to garner facts about male vs female abuse.
In the wider world behaviour from men shows them to be more likely to abuse, more likely to commit violent and sexual crime, and actually commit more crime altogether. Motives behind crime are different between men and women as well.
I’m in no way dismissing that women can be abusive, of course they can, but the data that MRAs proudly trot out is not the gotcha that they think it is.

@PamPamPamPam - of course. We mustn't (conveniently) forget who the child rapists are.

@MarioIa - ah, so you are low enough to go after someone who bravely posts about such horrendous experiences. I overestimated you.

My error.

Your China and Russia argument, again, is ridiculous. Would I "hide" behind the men as I would not be prepared to fight in a war that was created by men, continued by men and funded by men? You bet. I'm not getting involved in their perpetual dick swinging thank you.

"And I'm assuming you're aware that globally 40% of traffickers are female right? I'm sure you'll say it was the men that made them do it rather than the £££."

@MarioIa you mean the sex industry that only exists because of men? The root cause is still male violence, entitlement and abuse I'm afraid. And I love your cherrypicking, keep it coming.

@WhatsTheProblemSarah Absolutely agree. If, as a "feminist" I hate literally all men, surely that makes me as bad as a man that hates all women?
I know he was referring to race, but what was it Martin Luther King said in his legendary speech? The part about judging people on the content of their character?

This quote springs to mind:

'all men are parasites on women, the good ones too. Some women are parasites on men but only the bad ones.'

And I'm assuming you're aware that globally 40% of traffickers are female right? I'm sure you'll say it was the men that made them do it rather than the £££.

The UNODC reports 40% of those convicted of human trafficking globally are female. Female traffickers can be particularly adept at gaining a potential victim’s trust in the recruitment stage of trafficking.

https://www.lovejustice.ngo/blog/ten-facts-about-human-trafficking?hs_amp=true

Men are defo more violent as is generally the case with male mammals. If they hadn't been the human race may not have persisted. However, if you crash your car and need cut out it'll also most likely be a man that saves you. Same if you need open heart surgery or if a nutter tries to chop your door down with an axe in the middle of the night.

And if China and Russia tried to invade us tomorrow we'd be hiding behind the men - if you don't believe me go and read the thread on 'conscription for women' and all the hilarious excuses why women wouldn't be able to stand up and defend their country, even in non-frontline roles. Never have I seen mumsnet posters so desperate to state that a woman's place is at home with the children. 🤣

The biggest advances for women (getting the vote etc) were accomplished when working alongside men in WW1 so it's seems solidarity rather than separatism is the way forward here. Despite all the moaning about men on here, it's clear from the conscription thread that most posters wouldn't be prepared to stand up and defend their weak and elderly like the men usually do.

What a load of infantile rubbish. You say some posts are, "not nice" OP but in reality many people, likely women are describing relationships where the treatment of the female is not safe, loving or caring. You clearly don't understand that and hopefully you'll never need that.

It's fine for people to tell you your opinion is bullshit. It's just not fine for people to tell you you can't hold an opinion, which is not happening here.

You can't have read many internet forums, then.

Because nobody is saying they only hate violent men. They're saying they hate men as a group due to the violent minority.

Are they, @MarioIa? Where? Direct quotations, please. (Unless, as the only evidence you're likely find of anyone actually saying this, you go after the victim of trafficking whose hatred and mistrust of men is thoroughly understandable).

But surely even you wouldn't stoop that low.

Because the experienced women on here recognize that if a poster has posted on here, it’s because they have a partner they can’t resolve things with in real life. And that’s not a good sign.

Because posters here have the experience to recognize that the one incident posted here is likely the tip of a huge heap of shit.

Because in real life women trivialize and normalize shit behaviour by saying ‘men, what are the like!’ When their friends complain about their partners. And that normalization keeps women in shit relationships.

Mumsnet is a really valuable resource to help women see what is going on in their rejationships with clarity.

There’s nowhere quite like it. It’s really important.