Muslim vote (the group, not people generally)

I would say ignore at your own peril. I want to come back to this thread in a few years time.

A turnout of about one third is normal for UK local elections. Not that many people take a big interest in who their local councillors are.

General election turnout should be closer to 70%

No, the turnout was something like 33%. It always is horrendously low for local council elections. This guy won by about 300 votes. TBH, he is best ignored, so I'm glad not that many people are bothered with him. The Greens used to be my regular protest vote for local elections, but I stopped voting for them because they have gone so far away from their roots in environmentalism and massively Hard Left. The Greens are welcome to become a safe haven for crackpots and bigots if it likes. It will soon learn that tolerance of intolerance always ends badly- for them hopefully.

I’m not a Labour voter or a Labour fan in general. However I’d like to hope even the woke left have more backbone than that. If not we’re all screwed.

I read that checklist the other day and it terrified me. I also followed a link to the dailyfail ( yes I know) and it was telling that there was more reaction and concern regarding what MM does, says, eats than anything to do with British politics...its weird. I also read a statistic that 70% of people didn't even vote. I'm hoping someone will come and correct me on that front though.

"Religion has no place whatsoever in the laws and governance of a civilised society"

I totally agree with this. And yet Bishops from the Anglican Church sit in the House of Lords...

we are getting dizzy by being on the roundabout for far too long. someone please send us some betahistine

Wow! Mind you at least you guys are on a very progressive and forward thinking path and it's good that it's happening through referendums so the electorate is involved in the process :-)

Yeah .... You might also enjoy learning our constitution was actually written in conjunction with the church, so quite a lot of clauses would give you pause for thought! It needs a good rework but we are having a lot of referendums over next few years to work it out and erase that a little bit. We did get rid of blasphemy there recently though!it is ridiculous

Honestly? I can't believe it's legal to do that in Ireland!

These are self-appointed voices who incorrectly presume to speak for other people. The 'other' people should challenge their presumption. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to happen as often as it should.

The one thing this country doesn't need is sectarian political factions.

I think KS knows he can afford to ignore them. There are 3 million Muslims. Take out those ineligible to vote, those who don't agree with this group and spread them around several constituencies and they have little influence. Most of the councillors who were elected were elected by a tiny group of people, and as a result of voter apathy. The ' demands are ridiculous. There is no point in Labour trying so hard to get rid of the Hard Left from Labour if they are going to pander to the Hard Right and religious fundamentalists.

I'm a Muslim and I've never heard of this website/movement before.

Some Muslims don't go to a mosque regularly enough to be "influenced" by the imam.

Or perhaps they asked for it because they feel the law curtails the freedom of expression of imams and other people in a position of spiritual influence. IDK, but I certainly don't see any reason, other than a kind of knee-jerk fear of Islam, to leap to any 'chillling' conclusion.

Would it help you to know that the Catholic church regularly tells people how to vote on issues? It's certainly a big thing in Ireland where the church has openly told everyone in sermons and published materials on how to vote in 3 recent constitutional amendments (written constitution here so we have referendums for changes). Some people see it as important that the organisation providing their spiritual or moral guidance guides them on how to look at the laws governing their country - just like political parties or unions might provide guidance.

Yes, dear.

I asked on another thread who would be on the scapegoat roundabout this week to detract from the shit the Tories are in.

Sorry Muslim folk, it is your turn. Again.

Whilst I don't think any one with any religious belief can now be true to their faith and vote Tory, the cause in the said act should stay. And no doubtless will.

It's not 'bloody scary'. It is a political group stating the terms on which they would be prepared to support Labour. It appears they have included on their list something that not many people would be in favour of and which the Labour Party is unlikely to support. I think you will find that small groups make unpopular and unsuccessful demands all the time, based on their own values and positions. That is, er, democracy.

"the muslims"

If you had an Islamist agenda and a reasonable brain would you:

a) attempt to influence a major existing political party towards your agenda.
b) start your own political party.

Obviously a) would be your first choice because being in possession of a reasonable brain you would have noted that the Christian People's Alliance, a socially conservative religious party, currently have 0 MPs and 0 councillors. The Muslim People's Alliance would probably not do much better.

I lived in Whitechapel near Brick Lane when George Galloway was MP and Lutfur Rahman was elected mayor of Tower Hamlets.
So forgive me for being biased when I say those demands are the "Thin ends of various wedges"
What they win won't matter. What will matter is that people start to feel that the Muslims have achieved something, they have pressured the Labour Party and won a concession. That is the start of a movement that becomes a Party.

Oh Jesus christ are you really going to go with the racist trope of the great replacement theory?

Britain would be a much better place if we shipped all the racists off to Rwanda, after all its a safe country, right?

All those that rightly disagree with a religious body having influence on politics think that the house of Lords having bishops sitting is equally as egregious

Jesus and all the gods, please bless some common sense on all those who eat massive salads, earn six figures, hide behind sofas and have cheating husbands on secret hobbies.

What are you saying exactly?