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To stop making small talk with my friend who owes me money?

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movietime · 07/05/2024 01:17

Just that really. Friend owes me £500. She lives a couple of hours away so we don't see each other a lot but used to message back and forth every day.

She's dragging her feet on paying me back (although she is paying me back, just slower and in smaller increments than we'd agreed).

I'm a bit over making text message small talk with her. It's definitely noticeable to her as she's just asked me if everything was ok, after I didn't reply for a few days.

Trying to find a way to explain that I'm just irritated by unilateral the change in terms of her repaying me and normal service will resume once we're square.

Separately, I KNOW that lending a friend money is unwise. Neither a borrower nor a lender be and don't lend money you can't afford to lose. I do know all these things and that isn't the advice I'm looking for here.

Thank you!

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Beautiful3 · 07/05/2024 10:29

I think you're going to have to tell her that you feel sad that she didn't repay you as promised. Repaying in tiny amounts isn't what you'd both agreed. It feels disrespectful. You're going to have to talk to her on the phone, properly.

PBandJ111 · 07/05/2024 07:29

I’d keep the chat going until you get your money.

Luio · 07/05/2024 06:46

The thing is people don’t borrow money from friends if they can afford to pay it back. It means they have exhausted other possibilities. Credit cards, family, overdraft and other friends. Unless you are a very close friend, you might be quite far down the list.

ThinWomansBrain · 07/05/2024 06:21

If she's cleared £1500 of £2k in 4 months, not ideal, but I'd maybe nudge her that you really need the balance this month and keep up the text chat until her next pay day and see what happens.

movietime · 07/05/2024 06:14

Traitortothecause · 07/05/2024 01:32

Unfortunately it seems like a side to her personality you were unaware of is revealing itself. I think you should be honest, but not unkind. Say you lent the money on the understanding she would pay it back on the agreed terms and it's making you feel very awkward and uncomfortable that she has changed what was agreed. She may flounce, or she may try harder to fulfill what she agreed, but I think ignoring the elephant in the room is not the way to go.

This is the best advice I've ever received on MN! I've done that and feel much better for it.

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movietime · 07/05/2024 06:12

TheTartfulLodger · 07/05/2024 05:05

Surely you must be able to see that you only feel the way you do because of the things you don't want advice about, ie lending money in the first place?

It's not that I don't want advice on it, it's that I don't need advice on it as I have already come to that conclusion myself.

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EatCrow · 07/05/2024 06:11

TheExclusiveSandwich · 07/05/2024 06:08

Soo weird to lend mates £

Is it? There wouldn’t be a second time if they were liars and didn’t pay it back. If they did the latter they wouldn’t be considered a friend anymore that’s for sure.

TheExclusiveSandwich · 07/05/2024 06:08

Soo weird to lend mates £

Bestyearever2024 · 07/05/2024 06:05

I'd certainly be happy to lose a friendship over : lies, lack of respect, gaslighting and bullshit

Shes asking why you haven't text her for a few days - she knows damn well why

If I were you I'd ask her for all the money by 31/5

If you don't get it I'd block her and have nothing more to do with her

If you do get the money, I'd never lend her money again and I'd be very circumspect about the friendship in future

Tourmalines · 07/05/2024 05:59

Charlie2121 · 07/05/2024 04:22

No friendship is worth losing over £500.

If you ever lend money to friends always assume you won’t get it back and then if they do repay it’s a bonus.

Whenever I’ve lent money I always say the same thing. Pay me back when you’re in a position to do so.

It’s not a business transaction it is support for a friend.

Yes , it’s not a business transaction, if it was then there would certainly be repercussions to pay as the lender will come for you . A friend loan though should come with a moral and respectful obligation instead of shitting all over friends face .

EatCrow · 07/05/2024 05:46

EnterFunnyNameHere · 07/05/2024 05:06

Is that really true though? I have plenty of casual friendships that are worth less than £500! Sure, my good friendships are worth more than that - but for me it's not true that no friendship is worth losing over £500!

OP, I'd be tempted when asked if everything is OK to just something like "honestly, I'm a bit annoyed you've decided it's OK to just not pay me back as we agreed without at least discussing it with me first" and see what she responds.

No it isn’t true, it’s a bullshit trope. It’s about respect, both ways and anyone pretending it isn’t is either lying to themselves or lying here for kudos.

daisychain01 · 07/05/2024 05:35

Charlie2121 · 07/05/2024 04:22

No friendship is worth losing over £500.

If you ever lend money to friends always assume you won’t get it back and then if they do repay it’s a bonus.

Whenever I’ve lent money I always say the same thing. Pay me back when you’re in a position to do so.

It’s not a business transaction it is support for a friend.

Cuts both ways.

what about the friend who kindly lent the money and is now struggling to get the borrower to recognise how frustrating and embarrassing it is to have to keep reminding them about the money they still owe? And shifting the goalposts re the repayment amounts.

all very well being magnanimous and on the lofty heights of friendship but hey, let's never let a good deed go unpunished as they say.

AstralSpace · 07/05/2024 05:31

The friendship is lost as soon as one person takes advantage of another.

I'd tell her you need the money urgently please could she pay asap.

PineappleTime · 07/05/2024 05:29

movietime · 07/05/2024 01:32

She owes me £500. I'd lent her £1200.

It's not that I don't want to talk to her, it's just that I feel completely disingenuous making cheerful small talk with her about our kids, etc, when I'm really fed up.

At this point I'm feeling like my cheerful demeanour is stopping her paying me back because she thinks everything's fine, and maybe I need to be clearer the at it isn't ok?

Tell her then. Don't keep making small talk. Ask her when the rest of the money will be paid back. When she's given you a timescale then you can chat again. And if that timescale passes and she doesn't pay then you know she's a user and a liar and the friendship is finished. It might cost you £500 to find that out.

EatCrow · 07/05/2024 05:27

movietime · 07/05/2024 01:26

This is what I'm wondering about. I am running out of steam to pretend I want to chat with her though. I'm ready to just be upfront about the fact I'm annoyed.

I’m in the same position with someone who owes me money and who is being abusive. I decided to stop face to face and phone contact and sent them an email. They can now text if it’s urgent or email if it’s important (family member). No other contact will be acknowledged. It puts a space between us that works for me now.

The way I see it (and it’s taken me a very long time to get there) is that monetary abuse is the same as any abuse, it’s exploitative and entitled and deserves no excuse.

Haydenn · 07/05/2024 05:22

I’d keep the text exchanges going until you get the money back otherwise I’d doubt you’ll see it again and then I’d take a break from her

TomeTome · 07/05/2024 05:11

I’d just say that it’s making you miserable that she didn’t pay you back the next month like she said she would.

EnterFunnyNameHere · 07/05/2024 05:06

Charlie2121 · 07/05/2024 04:22

No friendship is worth losing over £500.

If you ever lend money to friends always assume you won’t get it back and then if they do repay it’s a bonus.

Whenever I’ve lent money I always say the same thing. Pay me back when you’re in a position to do so.

It’s not a business transaction it is support for a friend.

Is that really true though? I have plenty of casual friendships that are worth less than £500! Sure, my good friendships are worth more than that - but for me it's not true that no friendship is worth losing over £500!

OP, I'd be tempted when asked if everything is OK to just something like "honestly, I'm a bit annoyed you've decided it's OK to just not pay me back as we agreed without at least discussing it with me first" and see what she responds.

TheTartfulLodger · 07/05/2024 05:05

Surely you must be able to see that you only feel the way you do because of the things you don't want advice about, ie lending money in the first place?

drusth · 07/05/2024 04:58

Tell her money is tight at the moment and you’re stressed and you really need the £500 this month.

Charlie2121 · 07/05/2024 04:22

No friendship is worth losing over £500.

If you ever lend money to friends always assume you won’t get it back and then if they do repay it’s a bonus.

Whenever I’ve lent money I always say the same thing. Pay me back when you’re in a position to do so.

It’s not a business transaction it is support for a friend.

hopscotcher · 07/05/2024 04:18

I think you need to be very upfront with her - tell her how much you'd like the instalments to be and how frequent. If she IS gradually paying you back, she may think you're happy with the current situation.
I think it'd be OK to make the money a key focus of conversation until it's resolved in a way you want, and which is realistic (presumably she's struggling financially, hence the loan in the first place). If you approach this in an indirect, passive-aggressive sort of way, mention small claims court or tell her that 'normal service will be resumed' once the money's paid, you'll lose the friendship, so I guess think about whether you're prepared for this to happen.

daisychain01 · 07/05/2024 04:06

If she's unilaterally gone to paying you back £10 a month or ridiculously small amount that will take years to repay, then that's a very long time with the small talk.

At the end of the day you're totally reliant on her continuIng to make the payments. You may not want to take her to Small Claims, in which case, you've either got to try and get the money back quicker (unlikely, it would appear), keep going with the small talk to avoid rocking the boat, or come clean that you're frustrated at her unilaterally changing the amount of repayment and risk she'll take umbrage and stop repaying you.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 07/05/2024 03:36

If she normally pays you back immediately have you asked her why there's a delay this time?
Frame it as concern. "Hi Friend, I don't mean to be distant but I'm just a bit uncomfortable about the fact you still owe me £500. I thought you intended to pay me back in one go. Is everything OK? I'd rather you were upfront with me over money matters otherwise it becomes awkward for both of us."

wibblywobblywoo · 07/05/2024 02:03

Traitortothecause · 07/05/2024 01:32

Unfortunately it seems like a side to her personality you were unaware of is revealing itself. I think you should be honest, but not unkind. Say you lent the money on the understanding she would pay it back on the agreed terms and it's making you feel very awkward and uncomfortable that she has changed what was agreed. She may flounce, or she may try harder to fulfill what she agreed, but I think ignoring the elephant in the room is not the way to go.

This is a good way to phrase it. Not being aggressive or confrontational but assertive and direct, and I think that's justified.

At least it will prompt communication on the issue and give you some feeling of taking back some control of the process rather than it all being up to what your friend decides to send you, or not.