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DD and her uncle...AIBU to feel uncomfortable?

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maay · 07/05/2024 00:35

My daughter is 12. In January her uncle started giving her guitar lessons as she really wanted to learn. He has been playing for years and sometimes teaches lessons, so when he offered to teach her for free, it was too good to turn down. The lessons are at our house. She's really been enjoying it. I still offer him money, but it's always a firm no.

He took her to see a band that they both like in March. His wife was also there. DD came back with loads of merch. I was thankful but told him he didn't need to do all of that! I felt like it was really cool they were bonding so well though. DH loved to see it as well.

He has bought her quite a few things now other than that merch. Like a necklace, posters, figurines, he even offered to buy her expensive trainers when she asked me for them in front of him. I said no to that one, because me and DH already decided she didn't need them. (girl has a lot.)

DH and I check her phone regularly. They text each other probably once or twice a week. It's brief and they just send each other memes and links to music they like. I haven't seen an actual conversation with them, so think I'm happy with that.

Yesterday he was at our house. We were all in the same room talking. DD went and sat on his lap and it made me feel uncomfortable. Only because she never sits on an adults lap anymore? I wasn't going to make a scene or anything, so I just made an excuse and asked her to come help me with something in a different room. When she went back into the room, she didn't sit on his lap again.

The same day, he dropped into conversation about how "Asian and half Asian girls are the most beautiful" he looked at DD and she giggled. DD is half Asian. I'm starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with it all. But I'm not sure if I'm being unreasonable? I don't want to break an innocent bond, but I feel like I missed some red flags and I'm now seeing them? DH says he just loves his niece and he doesn't think we have to worry.

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Orangemangogrape · 07/05/2024 09:18

I'd draw no conclusions but end the lessons now and take him off your dds phone. You can say an opportunity for tuition elsewhere came up and you've realised her dad and yourself should be the only adults on her phone. Don't take up any offers that leave them alone together. Avoid, avoid, avoid.

CantDealwithChristmas · 07/05/2024 09:13

When I was about 11 I walked into my living room and without invitation, sat on my mother's boyfriend's lap. I still don't know why I did it. Some kind of teenage hormonal thing, trying to have some kind of effect, I don't know. I don't look into my motivations too deeply.

Anyways, the guy's face went bright red, he leaned back, pushed me off immediately and my mother told me off in no uncertain terms and sent me to bed.

Don't know why but your account took me back to that memory. I really don't think a guy who is not a bio relative should have a pre pubescent girl on his lap.

Liliberated · 07/05/2024 09:10

@Itsmychristmasdress

“I read the comment as Asian girls are more attractive to Caucasian men because of the awful stereotypes of "Asian schoolgirl" that you often see in borderline "pornography/child sa images.”

I thought the exact same. Creepy white men who have a sexual interest in underage Asian girls is an absolute thing.

Hairyfairy01 · 07/05/2024 09:09

Trust your instincts and act on them. Has she explained why she sat on his laps at all?

taylorswift1989 · 07/05/2024 09:02

Stop the lessons immediately. Get DD a new teacher so she's not missing out on that. Stop any messaging between them.

I would keep the creepy uncle well away from her. I'd also be concerned that he's a guitar teacher, so generally has access to children?

Don't set up a nanny cam ffs. You don't need 'proof' and if you get it, then it's already too late. Just end the lessons, end contact between them, and make sure that he is never ever left with her alone and unsupervised.

butterflywingss · 07/05/2024 09:02

Just to further add from my own experience, when I was a young teenager, my mum used to take me to my aunties house a lot after school and my uncle (aunties DH) always made me feel quite uncomfortable but no one ever said anything. He would make comments about how big my boobs are getting or jokingly hit my bum to say it's big. There was more and more each time. However, I had so much love for him because of the relationship in the family and always thought maybe he doesn't mean it in a bad way. However, if that was my daughter and a grown man did that in front of me, believe me I would make a scene. The point is OP trust your gut. What looks innocent isn't always innocent.

butterflywingss · 07/05/2024 08:55

I am always suspicious of a grown men giving too much attention or gifts to a young girl & when you said she sat on his lap, that just shouted red flags to me. If I was you OP I would put an end to all this. Even if it's innocent, you're better making a mistake and knowing your daughter is safe then letting something happen to her to avoid making it awkward for others.

Katiesaidthat · 07/05/2024 08:54

tamade · 07/05/2024 08:46

In the world or in the UK where most people are actually white anyway?

Yes, this. She objects to one discriminatory comment and substitutes it with another one. In Nigeria, are most groomers also white? It really seems some people can´t imagine the world different beyond their backyard.
With respect to the op, I would engage with your daughter about what is appropriate and what isn´t now that she is entering teen years. And also engage with your stepbrother. If still not happy get another guitar teacher. Oh, and nanny camera good idea in this case.

caringcarer · 07/05/2024 08:54

DH and I are very close to my niece. She's 17 now. When she comes to our house with my sister she always rushes in and hugs both me and DH. She occasionally will still come and sit on my knee and cuddle me too. She doesn't sit on DH knee though. We do buy her things and help pay for bigger stuff for her like school trips because we can afford it and all my DC are adults now and she's and my Foster son are both 17 but the youngest in our wider extended family so they both get treated a lot. I'd allow the guitar lessons to continue but be in the room too. Say you want to see how she makes progress. I'd just be watchful at this point.

Joystir59 · 07/05/2024 08:53

*perverted

Joystir59 · 07/05/2024 08:52

AGlinnerOfHope · 07/05/2024 07:22

Talk to him about the need to protect DD from inappropriate behaviour, that other adult men groom children so you have to be really clear with DD about what is and isn’t appropriate.

”DB it’s great to see how well you get on, and she’s loving learning guitar. She’s really lucky to have another safe adult on her side. We’re trying to teach her good boundaries, so she recognises when men are being inappropriate. We don’t want her to think it’s ok to sit on her teachers’ lap at school! It’s so hard to protect them these days!”

Just stop the lessons and any other contact unless you are present at all times. He is grooming her ready to sexually abuse her or he is already abusing her. No pussyfooting around needed. And why would you appeal to his better nature when you suspect he has a prrverted attraction to her?

Starlight1979 · 07/05/2024 08:49

As others have said, I have a DSD who is 12 and very affectionate and loving but no way would she just go on sit on someone's knee, not even her Dads. I wouldn't be happy at all with this OP...

Chausson · 07/05/2024 08:47

I know women get harassed but as a half Chinese woman the amount of harassment received throughout my life is huge. There is such a disposition towards Asian girls and women and it’s called yellow fever, serious research papers have explored this. Obviously a child abuser will target children regardless of race but I’m warning you how some men have a taste for Asian women and girls.

I would say listen to your gut, does he treat other children in the family the same or is he just spoiling her.

NewmummyJ · 07/05/2024 08:47

It sounds like your spidey senses are tingly, and I would trust them. Keep doing what you are doing, staying vigilant and keeping a close eye on the situation. Your awareness suggests you are very capable of safeguarding your daughter if need be. It may be innocent, but no harm in keeping a close eye.

tamade · 07/05/2024 08:46

pensione · 07/05/2024 06:23

The vast majority of groomers are white, so take your racism elsewhere.

In the world or in the UK where most people are actually white anyway?

Maddy70 · 07/05/2024 08:46

I agree. Thats all a bit weird. Listen to your gut

Itsmychristmasdress · 07/05/2024 08:45

Fizzib · 07/05/2024 08:40

Indeed. This is an example of how racism puts kids at risk. If you’re so focused on the idea of one community being the predators you’ll miss the groomers in your own.

I read the comment as Asian girls are more attractive to Caucasian men because of the awful stereotypes of "Asian schoolgirl" that you often see in borderline "pornography/child sa images.

Fizzib · 07/05/2024 08:40

Busybeemumm · 07/05/2024 08:19

Wow just wow. This is absolutely disgusting comment. How do you feel now that you know the uncle is actually Caucasian??

Indeed. This is an example of how racism puts kids at risk. If you’re so focused on the idea of one community being the predators you’ll miss the groomers in your own.

Lemsipper · 07/05/2024 08:39

maay · 07/05/2024 01:08

Thanks everyone.

@Itwasafterallallaboutme uncle is Caucasian. DD is half East Asian.

Thats odd IMO, he is not just complimentary of his own race, he is giving his preference to which race of women he finds attractive. Such a weird comment. Creepy uncle isn’t a well known thing for no reason.

Busybeemumm · 07/05/2024 08:39

Groomers groom the whole family by pushing boundaries to see how far they can go. It's called abuse in plain sight. I think this is what the uncle did with his comment about looks and seeing what happens when your DD sat on his lap.

Roundandroundthegard3n · 07/05/2024 08:39

It's too close to grooming for my liking. Id find a new guitar teacher and talk to your daughter about boundaries.

CatherinedeBourgh · 07/05/2024 08:39

12 yo can and do develop crushes. Most men just ignore it and get on with life. A few use the opportunity to abuse them.

The fact she sat on his lap says nothing about him. You should definitely keep an eye, but don't jump to accuse him just because she's behaving inappropriately, don't blame him for a 12yo's behaviour unless and until you have something he has actually done which is inappropriate.

Naunet · 07/05/2024 08:37

Notamum12345577 · 07/05/2024 07:38

Obviously on MM he is trying to groom her. However, in real life I would say that it is probably just a child free to uncle spoiling his niece who he is fond of (especially because of the music). She may well have sat on his lap because she has a childish crush (or she is playing the sweet little girl act to get more treats out of her uncle!)

Why would you say that? Do you think nonces are these rare unicorns that only exist in the pages of The Daily Mail? 1 in 6 children are abused, these predators are more common than anyone would like to think.

Fizzib · 07/05/2024 08:37

pensione · 07/05/2024 06:23

The vast majority of groomers are white, so take your racism elsewhere.

It is sickening what that poster said. I worked in social services and can assure you familial abuse is not more prevalent in South Asian or any other communities moreso than white. You don’t need to have worked in SS to know this just have some basic common sense. The implication that if the uncle is eg. a white man or non-Asian, she’s less at risk - is vile and baseless .

VerasChips · 07/05/2024 08:35

Naunet · 07/05/2024 08:32

Ha! I’m sorry to say, but you’re very wrong, they’ll do that kind of stuff in front of people. OP, I was abused as a child for many years by a relative, so many adults looked the other way or made excuses for him because they didn’t want to deal with it. Some even blamed me because they saw it as me courting his attention. Please keep a very close eye on this, it sounds like grooming 101.

Exactly. People like @EmilyTjP put it on the child- SHE has a ‘crush’, as if it’s something the child is doing to an innocent adult, not the other way around.

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