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Grown Men Dating Teenagers

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ReallyDubious · 05/05/2024 21:57

I have a male acquaintance who expressed a really concerning opinion about age gap relationships. He thinks that it is ok for a much older man to date younger women and teenagers as 'some women (or girls) are more mature than others'. Although I agree with that in principle, I do not agree that a teenager is ever mature enough to date a grown man.

He said he dated 'mature' teens when he was in his 40s and I'm seriously revolted at the thought. AIBU to think there is something seriously wrong with this man?

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Loubelle70 · 06/05/2024 08:59

OneStepBeyond2 · 06/05/2024 08:57

Is this really true? A lot of young guys think it's cool to sleep with a woman their mum's age, maybe something Freudian going on there. I can also imagine for the women that choose to do this it's something fun to gossip about with their friends over coffee. Is it really harming anyone?

Just because young lads think its cool doesn't mean the woman will abuse that. It harmed me. I have no doubt it harms boys too.

ReallyDubious · 06/05/2024 08:59

LakeTiticaca · 06/05/2024 08:33

There is never too many eyebrows raised when older women go after much younger men is there.
Cougars I believe they are called.
Older men dating much younger women: creepy weirdos
Older women dating much younger men: yay go girl!!
Talk about double standards 😒

The word predatory usually gets used when talking about cougars too. Even the word cougar points to this, they're large predatory cats who stalk and kill their prey!

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OneStepBeyond2 · 06/05/2024 08:57

Loubelle70 · 06/05/2024 08:48

Eh? On what planet? Precisely the opposite. How many older women target a teenage lad for a start? Rarely. Men are celebrated when they 'catch' a young woman girl...lad culture ..go on lad bollocks. Women are looked down upon massively if they 'hook' a teenage lad..omg thats vile. You are completely wrong

Is this really true? A lot of young guys think it's cool to sleep with a woman their mum's age, maybe something Freudian going on there. I can also imagine for the women that choose to do this it's something fun to gossip about with their friends over coffee. Is it really harming anyone?

Isitovernow123 · 06/05/2024 08:53

Sometimeswinning · 06/05/2024 00:18

It doesn’t take much to see that even relationships where people are of a similar age it’s not all roses. Sometimes an age difference is ok. I’ve been with my dh for 20 years. 3 children. He earns more money but it’s our money. I can rely on him for anything.

The only time our age was an issue was when we first got together and people (like many posters on here)had an expert opinion it wouldn’t last.

Very similar response that we had as being teenage parents. Stayed together because of the child, though MiL said we shouldn’t be together as I was right for their DC.

30 years later, we’re now living the life we would have had at 20 (minus the additional relationships!), DGC now here.

Loubelle70 · 06/05/2024 08:48

LakeTiticaca · 06/05/2024 08:33

There is never too many eyebrows raised when older women go after much younger men is there.
Cougars I believe they are called.
Older men dating much younger women: creepy weirdos
Older women dating much younger men: yay go girl!!
Talk about double standards 😒

Eh? On what planet? Precisely the opposite. How many older women target a teenage lad for a start? Rarely. Men are celebrated when they 'catch' a young woman girl...lad culture ..go on lad bollocks. Women are looked down upon massively if they 'hook' a teenage lad..omg thats vile. You are completely wrong

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 06/05/2024 08:42

randomchap · 05/05/2024 23:59

Half the blokes age, plus 7 is meant to be the maximum age gap according to some

So a 19 year old and a 24 year old is OK, but if the man is older than that then creepy

I was just going to say my 24 yr ds would not date a 19 year old. He definitely doesn’t think it’s ok to date a teenager, even a nearly 20 yr old.

Tristar15 · 06/05/2024 08:34

A relative in my family who is in her sixties now married an older man. She spent a decade looking after an old man and when he had surgery that was risky said she felt ‘cheated’ that it didn’t kill him. He’s dead now and she says she now feels free. He left her with nothing, no money, no proper pension. He ran around when he was younger never really having a proper job, was a wheeler-dealer and then found a younger woman to look after him. She saw him for what he was far too late.

LakeTiticaca · 06/05/2024 08:33

There is never too many eyebrows raised when older women go after much younger men is there.
Cougars I believe they are called.
Older men dating much younger women: creepy weirdos
Older women dating much younger men: yay go girl!!
Talk about double standards 😒

Startingagainandagain · 06/05/2024 08:26

It is completely creepy for a grown man to lust after teenage girls and try to justify it.

As others have already said: patriarchy and entitlement and the general views that woman and girls are on earth just to satisfy and serve men....

As for those talking about 'biology'. There is never any justification for a man in his 40s to try to sleep with a teenager.

I associate that with creeps like Russel Brand...

ReallyDubious · 06/05/2024 08:24

OneStepBeyond2 · 05/05/2024 22:50

My understanding from what little I know about the science is that both men and women are genetically pre programmed to be attracted to youth because fertility declines with age. I could give you two real world examples from people I'm friendly with at the pub. 1) a middle aged man, once a City high flyer and happy family man with great kids get divorced, loses the barn conversion and job, wife reneges on divorce agreement and tries to take him for everything. He starts acting inappropriately with young barmaids, gets a bad reputation and a talking to by the Police. Basically it looks like some sort of mid life crisis that he's now over and he seems much happier now. 2) 50 odd labourer, never married get friendly with 20 something barmaid, they often spend quiet times chatting. End up in a relationship and they now have a baby. What's wrong with that? Just because it seems wrong to you doesn't mean it is. Do you think gay relationships are wrong?

My op was about dating teenagers but your examples are almost as bad. The divorced man sounds very abusive, no wonder his wife left him. What's wrong with the 50 year old and 20 something year old is that the part of our brains responsible for good decision making are not fully developed until our mid to late 20s. She has a lot of life to lead and will discover why women his own age are not interested in him very soon.

The same goes for these sorts of dynamics in gay relationships. You don't have to be straight to be a predator.

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dottydodah · 06/05/2024 08:17

I once read, all men want to date someone like their daughter,and all girls someone like their dad! Sounds a bit yucky to me . However there seems to be some truth in this .A friend of DMs was married to a guy 20 years older (in the 70s) .She complained he was "always talking about the war!) Of course sexy rich older men, Rod Stewart,Mick Jagger, and so on will always attract pretty young women .But usually even ordinary looking older men, will have a more senior position /money as they are older ,and have been working longer!

LlynTegid · 06/05/2024 08:00

There should be a different age of consent depending on the age of the other person in my opinion. At least for 16 and 17 year olds.

AngelinaFibres · 06/05/2024 07:57

My exhusband was 30 and the father of a 3 and 2 year old when he decided he had to leave me ( also 30) for a 17 year old work colleague. The power imbalance was enormous. He dealt with everything financial . She was with him for 24 years in the end ( divorced him last summer) but never ever knew what he earned, whether he had pensions. He told her everything was fine and she believed him. She has now found that it absolutely wasn't.

colourfulchinadolls · 06/05/2024 07:51

When I was 23 I dated a 48 year old for a few months.

The mere memory of it utterly repulses me.

What on earth did he see in me and what did we have in common?

Makes me absolutely wretch the way I let him paw all over me.

23 years old, I thought I was so mature but I was just a kid! There's no way the rationship would ever be on equal footing.

What's worse is he had a 18 year old daughter and a 22 year old son at the time 😬

JMSA · 06/05/2024 07:46

He's disgusting.

Chausson · 06/05/2024 07:37

A girl a couple, of years above me at school, married one of the teachers, this was in the 1980’s. Some people were a bit surprised but overall it didn’t seem a big deal. He would have been about 30 but the fact he had taught her. He remained teaching us.

Sartre · 06/05/2024 07:22

A school friend got into a relationship with a guy in his late fifties when she was 19 so around a 40 year age gap. At the time, we all thought this was nuts especially given the fact he was not a good looking middle aged man (you know, may be more acceptable if he looked like Paul Hollywood or something).

Anyway, over a decade later and they’re married with a child. I’m not really sure anyone can judge because to remain in a relationship for so long and be committed enough to marry and have a child surely indicates love and real commitment. He has adult children older than her which makes things somewhat stranger too…

HelmholtzWatson · 06/05/2024 06:46

Men (compared with women) chose partners on the basis of physical attractiveness and youth.

In contrast, women (compared with men) chose partners based on status, and to a lesser degree things like health, kindness and intelligence.

This is why men compete harder than women to achieve status - because women will reward them for it. It's also why the cosmetic industry exists.

For most men, the sweet spot for women appears to be around the age of 25. Probably because this is the age the brain fully matures, while women retain their youthful appearance. Dating younger than this is a bit creepy, particularly late teens, but successful men will always attract attractive women, and vice versa.

Spinningroundahelix · 06/05/2024 06:25

I got asked out by lots of men in their thirties as a teenager. I used to wonder if I'd be dating geriatrics in my twenties. I never took any of the older men seriously - a lot of them were looking for a "nice girl" to settle down with and why would I want to tie myself down in my teens.

I once went out with one of them because I hadn't worn my specs and he looked much older close up. He was really quite nice but I thought my mother might have disapproved of the age difference as all my contemporaries seemed to have mothers who did disapprove of big age gaps. My mother didn't so much as blink when she found out about it and it was only years later that I realised her mother was 14 years younger than her father. Or maybe she just played a very cunning end game. Then I found out that my paternal grandmother had snapped up granddad when she was 31 and he was 24.

Anyway not being stupid, I did rather think these men weren't interested in my wonderful teenage brain. I don't think these men were predators - just a bit hopeful. I once had a nightmare about marrying one of them. I can't imagine though I'd have even saved a coffee date for a 40 year old as I'd be thinking he was seriously deluded and even my mother would have balked at more than a 20 year plus age gap. I eventually married almost the youngest man I'd ever been out with - somebody three years older than me who is the love of my life.

Fimofriend · 06/05/2024 06:21

One of the girls started dating one of our teachers when we were all around 18. Highly illegal and I regret not reporting it then.

One of our class mates asked her about it and told the rest of us of her "being so mature". I guess our teacher thought we were all very mature for he had said that to me too and at least seven other girls after me before he got to her. She was the only one immature enough to fall for it. They dated for at least a year after we graduated and her parents were ok with it even though he was in his forties.

One of my friends who is 7 years older than me and went to the same school said he had always dated students. She was sure that was why he became a teacher.

Noicant · 06/05/2024 05:55

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/05/2024 22:17

Men always think girls and women are more mature when it comes to them having sex, but never when it comes to running companies, ruling countries or making decisions.

I wonder why...

This ☝🏽all day long, you’ve verbalised something thats been on the edge of my brain for years.

DeeCeeCherry · 06/05/2024 05:51

I was flicking through a health magazine at work the other day. Can't recall the name - but my jaw dropped when I came across an article about older men and young women, complete with photo of a man with his arms wrapped around a much younger woman. The article was very much positive regarding huge age gap older men younger women relationships. I was so bloody annoyed, the article was NOTHING to do with health at all. It's as if creeps with an agenda will find any way to promote it everywhere.

I do think there is a high percentage of men who'd go for a woman half (or less) their age if they definitely had enough money in the bank to keep her on board or if she was young, and vulnerable so they'd stand a chance. My neighbour is a retired teacher, with a much younger wife. He's always been quite fit and sporty but now seems to suddenly have gotten old overnight, as can happen when you're 70 and not in the best of health. They've been together a good while but now his young wife wants to leave him. Maybe its dawned on her she's not up for carer duties.

There was a post on here not long ago that touched on men buying young Thai wives, yet it didn't sound as if people thought badly of it at all. I'd have thought they would. MN is a strange place at times

Firefly1987 · 06/05/2024 05:17

Teenager and middle-aged man-absolutely grim. But the people who think even early 20s shouldn't date older, really? Totally no one else's business (assuming no learning difficulties etc.) I've always found older men attractive, my dad was much older than most when I was born so I guess I don't have that "ew he's the same age as my dad" ick about an older man. He'll never be anywhere near to my dad's age unless I start finding 80+ year olds attractive. I never got to date older when in my 20s but it's obviously my type since I still find 40+ (and into the 50s now) attractive. Although who knows if I'd feel different if I actually had dated older back then shrugs

There are plenty of things I think a woman in her early 20s is too young to do but it's none of my business, she's an adult.

BustyLee · 06/05/2024 03:16

OneStepBeyond2 · 06/05/2024 01:30

In what way is it false equivalency, be specific.

The fact that we can’t be specific is precisely the point, isn’t it?

LBFseBrom · 06/05/2024 03:02

A man in his forties dating a teenager is a bit dodgy (and visa versa). I can't imagine what they would have in common, frankly.

In the past it was quite common, especially amongst the aristocracy, for girls in late teens to marry men of about thirty The late Princess Diana's mother, Frances, married John Spencer when she was eighteen and he was thirty, was then expected to produce a male heir and went on to have five children, one of whom died, while she was still very young. That was her duty. Her youngest daughter could easily have had a similar fate but, thank goodness, shut up shop and put an end to being a brood mare after two children. I read about one debutante who married a man in his fifties when she was only seventeen!

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