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To not know any of Labour's policies apart from VAT

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changewashing · 05/05/2024 16:35

Have they got any others?

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EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 17:18

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 17:14

Yes, I expected that kind of answer.

Oh you edited to add the last bit. I was askng about the impact on the GE because that is what we are discussing and you seemed to infer that voters were influenced by other European countries.

General impact is different

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You are misunderstanding

I said impact the U.K. you inferred the U.K. GE

If you follow the posts you can see it was just impact generally.

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 17:14

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 17:13

Easier for you to scroll back and follow the posts

To add by impact the U.K. i don’t mean the GE I mean generally

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Yes, I expected that kind of answer.

Oh you edited to add the last bit. I was askng about the impact on the GE because that is what we are discussing and you seemed to infer that voters were influenced by other European countries.

General impact is different

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 17:13

Easier for you to scroll back and follow the posts

To add by impact the U.K. i don’t mean the GE I mean generally

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 17:09

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 17:03

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not worry about what Europe is doing then.

What EU and US do next is interesting but also impactful on the U.K.

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And how does that impact the UK General Election?

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 17:03

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 15:50

Good job we left Europe then, so we can happily move to the left in the UK and not worry about what Europe is doing then.

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not worry about what Europe is doing then.

What EU and US do next is interesting but also impactful on the U.K.

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 16:57

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 16:43

Yes this is what I meant too

It’s interesting that people feel it won’t impact the UK in any way. I think we will be, also by the US outcome

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How do you come to the conclusion that people think it won't impact the UK?

Braverman and Truss already shared podiums with the likes of Orban and Bannon.

How do you think it will impact the UK's GE? Do you think more people will vote for right wing parties because of Europe? Will you?

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 16:43

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 15:55

https://ecfr.eu/publication/a-sharp-right-turn-a-forecast-for-the-2024-european-parliament-elections/
Here you go, @JessS1990

Yes this is what I meant too

It’s interesting that people feel it won’t impact the UK in any way. I think we will be, also by the US outcome

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 16:35

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 15:55

I don't think that was the control Brexiteers wanted taking back ....

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Between that and school fees being vatable, I wish I had known about it before the referendum, it might have changed my vote.

BIossomtoes · 06/05/2024 16:18

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 15:55

I don't think that was the control Brexiteers wanted taking back ....

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I don’t think they knew what they wanted. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t what we’ve ended up with.

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 15:55

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 15:50

Good job we left Europe then, so we can happily move to the left in the UK and not worry about what Europe is doing then.

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I don't think that was the control Brexiteers wanted taking back ....

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 15:50

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 15:49

Yes, I'm just watching the trends. My sister lives in Europe and has noted a move to the right. We shall see.

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Good job we left Europe then, so we can happily move to the left in the UK and not worry about what Europe is doing then.

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 15:49

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 15:44

Interesting then that in the UK Right wing parties did much less well than they did last time those seats were contested and centrist and centre left parties did better thsi time?

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Yes, I'm just watching the trends. My sister lives in Europe and has noted a move to the right. We shall see.

JessS1990 · 06/05/2024 15:44

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 14:20

Absolutely. Right wing parties are doing well in Europe.

Interesting then that in the UK Right wing parties did much less well than they did last time those seats were contested and centrist and centre left parties did better thsi time?

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 14:59

And then US presidential elections, who knows who’ll take that.

Trump does. And it ain't him. He's already started inoculating his followers for a loss in a way winners don't.

QuickDraining · 06/05/2024 14:58

The Tories surely know their time is up. And at this point, I doubt they care two figs. They'll have until November to strip the public purse even further. Then leave the next Government in a woeful position. I'm amazed they got this far. Can't really see Labour with a majority. So doubt they'll even have much wiggle room to do anything useful. But we live in hope.

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 14:53

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 14:49

But as we know, EP elections are treated differently to local and national elections. The UK elected Farage for fucks sake. Who proceed to do fuck all apart from count his wages and not vote for anything. Then he came back here with tales of corrupt Eurocrats who took their wages and did nothing,.

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It still impacts policy. They tend to be slow moving, see recent policy agreement on migration, but it’s that sort of thing that will follow if it shifts politically.

Maybe you have it correct and the articles are wrong, so I guess we’ll see in June.

And then US presidential elections, who knows who’ll take that.

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 14:52

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 14:46

If people think it’s not likely I’ll guess we’ll see soon with the June EP elections

What the likelyhood of a right wing European countries got to do with the UK GE?

Are you in favour of a more right wing government here? Or would you like to go a different direction?

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 14:49

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 14:46

If people think it’s not likely I’ll guess we’ll see soon with the June EP elections

But as we know, EP elections are treated differently to local and national elections. The UK elected Farage for fucks sake. Who proceed to do fuck all apart from count his wages and not vote for anything. Then he came back here with tales of corrupt Eurocrats who took their wages and did nothing,.

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 14:46

If people think it’s not likely I’ll guess we’ll see soon with the June EP elections

KnittedCardi · 06/05/2024 14:46

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 14:35

So what if right-wing parties doing well in other countries. Do yo really want to follow suit or would you prefer to buck the trend?

I know which is my preference

It's just a normal cyclical system. Every few years, and particularly after something as big as COVID, and a war, and a COL crises, none of which were created by our government (or most of our nearest neighbours) no-one is pleased with how their government handled it. Left or Right, it just swings back and forth. That's how it goes. In reality, in the current world of conflict and climate, local country governments can only really tinker around the edges. We are all at the mercy of the global shifts.

SerendipityJane · 06/05/2024 14:45

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 14:38

It's an observation. I was reading about it this morning.

You can read lots of things.

For example I read that Sadiq Khan was well on course to lose the London Mayoral election .

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 14:38

It's an observation. I was reading about it this morning.

DuncinToffee · 06/05/2024 14:35

So what if right-wing parties doing well in other countries. Do yo really want to follow suit or would you prefer to buck the trend?

I know which is my preference

EasternStandard · 06/05/2024 14:22

IsoldeWagner · 06/05/2024 14:20

Absolutely. Right wing parties are doing well in Europe.

Yep. It’s impacting differently here due to the voting system and not having PR