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To think that this child needed to go to A&E?

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Petuniasforsally · 04/05/2024 21:31

I was at a children’s event today. A child fell head first from a height of around a metre onto concrete. I arrived around an hour later and was asked to take a look at the child as I have basic first aid training (though no further medical training). By this time the child had vomited, was struggling to stay awake, seemed quite confused about what had happened & had a noticeably swollen face. I advised the parents to take her straight to A&E but they refused, stating that they had medical backgrounds (though neither of them are doctors) and A&E was ‘pointless’. I did see the child later up & running around but I can’t get it out of my head. This should have been an A&E thing, right?

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BaffledOnceAgain · 05/05/2024 20:26

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 05/05/2024 08:36

It isn't just the vomiting...or even the sleepiness & confusion. But the swelling to the face and - I'm going to say it again - the mechanism of injury. The child needed to be assessed for skull & face fractures too.

When assessing the need for A&E you should always take into account how the injury occurred, not just the presenting symptoms. Head injuries are particularly tricky. A metre fall onto concrete is serious.

Far better to be sent away from A&E for the 8th time than not go in when someone has a brain haemorrhage or brain swelling.

Yes, good points.

TheBirdintheCave · 05/05/2024 08:40

Well that's scary! Last year my son, then two, fell about two metres from some play equipment (knocked off by an older child by accident). He was fine with no symptoms of concussion etc thanks to the bark flooring but we still took him to A&E and didn't leave until doctors were sure he was ok. It was terrifying. I wouldn't take any chances with a fall like that.

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 05/05/2024 08:36

BaffledOnceAgain · 05/05/2024 00:30

In the past I'd have agreed with the posters above. However, my sons have had concussion 4 times now. On each occasion, we've been to A&E and been sent home after the briefest look in their eyes. My friend was told that unless the vomiting continued a one off up chuck was not a worry. I take each occasion on its own merits, but I won't always go in future unless I feel there are symptoms I haven't seen before or something doesn't feel right. I kept the leaflet and know what to look out for. I check every couple of hours through the night.

It isn't just the vomiting...or even the sleepiness & confusion. But the swelling to the face and - I'm going to say it again - the mechanism of injury. The child needed to be assessed for skull & face fractures too.

When assessing the need for A&E you should always take into account how the injury occurred, not just the presenting symptoms. Head injuries are particularly tricky. A metre fall onto concrete is serious.

Far better to be sent away from A&E for the 8th time than not go in when someone has a brain haemorrhage or brain swelling.

vivainsomnia · 05/05/2024 08:16

Any child vomiting and subdued after a head injury should automatically be taken to emergency. I would have been very uncomfortable too.

Petuniasforsally · 05/05/2024 08:15

Thanks for your replies. I should have said that child is 10 & I don’t think there was any question that she wasn’t being supervised at the time of the fall, it was just one of those unfortunate things that happen when children are larking around. I’ve been thinking about it all night & am going to try & find out how the child is (I don’t know the family but everyone at the event is connected to the organisers in some way so someone knows them).

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anotherday11 · 05/05/2024 00:38

I’m curious, how old was the child? To be left unsupervised on I’m assuming playground equipment - was either parent watching them?

I wonder if the reason they refused to go to A&E was because of the risk of them being reported to SS? If their child has had previous injuries and they’ve been, this visit could have been the straw that broke the camel’s back and got them reported, especially if their child is young, it sounds like neglect.

BaffledOnceAgain · 05/05/2024 00:30

In the past I'd have agreed with the posters above. However, my sons have had concussion 4 times now. On each occasion, we've been to A&E and been sent home after the briefest look in their eyes. My friend was told that unless the vomiting continued a one off up chuck was not a worry. I take each occasion on its own merits, but I won't always go in future unless I feel there are symptoms I haven't seen before or something doesn't feel right. I kept the leaflet and know what to look out for. I check every couple of hours through the night.

Noseybookworm · 05/05/2024 00:09

I've had no first aid training at all but even I know that after a head injury, vomiting and sleepiness are not good signs. I would absolutely have taken her to A&E. It's very wierd that the parents didn't 😳 I hope the child is ok 😔

CelesteCunningham · 04/05/2024 23:04

I'm very relaxed and have never had either of my very clumsy children checked out after any of their thousands of head bumps of varying degrees of nastiness. I definitely would have in those circumstances though.

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 04/05/2024 22:51

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 04/05/2024 22:07

Whilst yes, personally I would have taken my dc to a & e for similar, current advice is repeated vomiting after a head injury. A single episode of vomiting advice is to monitor at home. But, I'd ignore that and still take them if worried.

No, the mechanism of injury is key here. The child fell a metre onto concrete.

They also displayed visible injuries the head/face and were vomiting within the hour.

Oversharingsonewusernamehaha · 04/05/2024 22:50

Yes, on balance I would have taken straight to a&e.

Also I'm a reluctant a&e user/ healthcare worker and so there's one exception- if i knew my child always vomited when they were upset. Depending on where I was in the country if this is the case, and if there was a choice of facilities, I might phone 111 and see if they'd advise a particular a&e/ make an appointment within an a&e (if this is offered locally). That way, I might phone 111, continue with day whilst it's arranged and attend 4 hours later and be seen immediately instead of an a&e wait (where my child might get more and more upset and start vomiting again). We've got 2 local a&e's 10 minutes away and one of them works like this out of hours/ weekends and it works really well. But on balance I think I would have actually just a&e'd this. Not worth risking.

TheTerribleMaster · 04/05/2024 22:32

The problem is with the huge waiting times in A&E I can understand why parents are reluctant. My son banged his head at school and then threw up at home, we waited 8 hours in A&E on horrible uncomfortable chairs, my son was exhausted and just wanted to go to bed, it was horrendous and when we were eventually seen they said he seems fine go home

Copperoliverbear · 04/05/2024 22:30

Those parents are idiots Natasha Richardson banged her head, didn't want to go to hospital and ended up dead later than day.
Hopefully their child is okay, that's neglect if ever I saw it, just because they didn't want to wait in A & E

Neodymium · 04/05/2024 22:24

Vomiting is a sign of concussion, very dangerous. I would definitely have called an ambulance.

Vastlyoverrated · 04/05/2024 22:23

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/head-injury-and-concussion/

Good list here of things to be aware of, and yes, they should have taken them.

CremeBruleeLove · 04/05/2024 22:20

So if no vomiting you wouldn't take them?

bluetopazlove · 04/05/2024 22:17

if that had been any of mine when they were young then yes for sure .

Mum2jenny · 04/05/2024 22:11

Parental choice, but not necessarily what I’d do in that scenario

3luckystars · 04/05/2024 22:08

Some people are just idiots.

fuckityfuckityfuckfuck · 04/05/2024 22:07

Whilst yes, personally I would have taken my dc to a & e for similar, current advice is repeated vomiting after a head injury. A single episode of vomiting advice is to monitor at home. But, I'd ignore that and still take them if worried.

rainbowsparkle28 · 04/05/2024 22:05

I am usually on the slightly more relaxed side but yes absolutely should have gone to A&E, there are clear symptoms of concern and a known incident involving the head. Unbelievable that they refused.

ZipZapZoom · 04/05/2024 22:03

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 04/05/2024 21:37

I'd have called 999 myself but I appreciate it's not always easy to stand up to others

I would have called 999 too.

When they both refused to be responsible adults someone else should have taken over and put the child's interests first.

CrushingOnRubies · 04/05/2024 22:01

I got to the bit about the dc vomiting and thought yes a&e asap.

But with something like that I would have gone to a&e regardless

Also have basics first aid training

Sugarcoatedalmonds · 04/05/2024 21:54

Yup, 100% a&e.

Hope the child is ok!

nocoolnamesleft · 04/05/2024 21:54

Sounds like a barn door A&E job.