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To be unimpressed with this drama class script

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ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 20:25

Last week my daughter (10) trialled a drama class. She came out happy and said they’d played games and done activities, all good so signed her up.

The following week she’s come out with a script, a simplified Shakespeare. 8/9 scenes long and some big big parts. Some characters speak in blocks in most scenes. It would be challenging for the age group (yr 3-6) but fun.

Shes been allocated one line in the final scene. I kind of expect this in school plays etc, some kids are picked, some aren’t. I’d expect the same for a staged performance to some extent. The play planned is the whole half term and is only for parents.

I’d expect a paid class to have a much better script picked than 5/6 kids getting huge amounts to do, 5/6 getting one or two lines and a few having unspoken parts. We pay the same, I don’t really expect to pay for dd to watch other children developing and practicing skills for the half term whilst she’s audience for them. I’d expect a reasonable equality, as appropriate and everyone to be learning to the best of their ability. Surely there are scripts out there adapted for this purpose, to give balance. It’s hardly a west end production, it’s just a local drama centre group than doesn’t do staged performances.

For disclosure, dd is one of the oldest. She’s quiet, (high functioning asd) but once on stage goes into role and is pretty articulate and expressive. The parts were picked by the teacher observing them in a game then allocating parts quickly to children. She would be quieter in an improvisation game than in a scripted play, but she’s only been there a week so maybe they haven’t seen that side of her. They do a play every half term for parents only, a quick few scenes. As I said, it’s not that she isn’t picked for a key part that bothers me, it’s the fact there are a number of huge parts for just a handful of children whilst everyone else is on the side. It’s Shakespeare, so not something where they are still dancing etc

I have particularly looked for somewhere without big stages shows in the hope they didn’t focus on a few naturals whilst the rest learn to be a good audience for the most confident children.

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AppleKatie · 04/05/2024 22:09

Yabu it’s her first one of course she got a tiny part.

How long are the sessions? She won’t be just watching other kids rehearse their bit and popping on stage for her one line and off again.

either there will be character work/stage business/dances for her to be involved in OR most of the session will be games/exercises/activities and this Shakespeare few scenes is a tiny part of the whole. I don’t see why you would rule out dances or choreographed movement just because it’s Shakespeare, both are commonly included in this type of kids performance.

Theatre doesn’t work on an entirely equal everyone says 5 lines and stands CS for 5 minutes basis. Thank goodness - because it would be dull, dry and pointless if it did.

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 22:07

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 22:03

I'll accept something was there when you show me what I missed.

Two options

  1. Someone understood what I said and it’s there
  2. We are the same person trolling you. You can report the post to check this.
Theres no other option, I’ve even quoted a few bits for you and I think I could waste half the night quoting and explaining more whilst you argued it was impossible to be understood in any way other than the way you inferred. Why waste time on that when you have the quick and easy option of reporting the post to check we aren’t the same poster? I’m leaving the ball in your court now, whichever way you answer that
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NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 22:03

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 22:01

Either report it, get your verification or drop it maybe.
Clearly someone else understood.
Theres another explanation other than trolling, and it’s easy enough to report and check isn’t it?
Report.
or accept something was there

I'll accept something was there when you show me what I missed.

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 22:01

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:58

Ok, what am I missing from your op, that describes it as anything like what Caligurl described it as?

Help my clearly substandard reading comprehension.

Either report it, get your verification or drop it maybe.
Clearly someone else understood.
Theres another explanation other than trolling, and it’s easy enough to report and check isn’t it?
Report.
or accept something was there

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ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 22:00

iAmBarbara · 04/05/2024 21:51

I joined a Saturday afternoon stagecoach group when I was 14.
we didn’t get the chance to audition either and my first term I didn’t have a single line, I had to mime out something (can’t remember what) whilst other people spoke.
I was quiet socially but had confidence once on stage and had done many local productions before where I had large speaking roles etc (local am dram, at school etc) I was frustrated but I kept my head down and was determined to prove that I could do more.

The next term I got 3 lines.

Following that (after the teachers had time to know my abilities, strengths and weaknesses - and I’d paid my dues so to speak) I had the main parts. (In both straight acting pieces and musical theatre pieces)

You can’t always be the main person, and although you’re all paying it is unrealistic to try and spread everything equally, neither theatre nor life works like that.
Your dc will still be learning and perhaps next time will get a chunk of dialogue.

Tbh I consciously avoided stagecoach and similar franchises/ musical theatre ones with staging because I know that’s how it works.
This advertised quite differently (they run other groups in the musical theatre style or with staged annual productions). I’m not raising a budding actor. I just want to find somewhere that grows confidence and enjoyment
I’d hoped to have found something I guess away from the harsher theatre approach. Dd isn’t going to be an actress, a min character, on stage shining brightly etc.
Im not really up for paying for ‘life is harsh’ lessons. I’m looking for personal growth, confidence and enjoyment. She’ll have plenty of other experiences to learn other people are ahead of her

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NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:58

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:56

Or have good reading comprehension.

Go ahead and report the post of you really need mumsnet to verify we aren’t one and the same poster as you seem to be inferring. Rather than troll hunting though why not just think how she knew- she read what was there in a pretty straight up way.

But as I said, report if you want

Ok, what am I missing from your op, that describes it as anything like what Caligurl described it as?

Help my clearly substandard reading comprehension.

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:56

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:42

You called it "the play". Nobody really had much reason to think it wasn't a play. You mentioned eight or nine scenes. You mentioned a final scene. That all sounds like a play to me.

Caligurl then goes on to describe it a something other than a play.

Immediately after which you describe it as something very similar to Caligurl, and you then say 'it's far from a play'.

Caligurl must be psychic.

Or have good reading comprehension.

Go ahead and report the post of you really need mumsnet to verify we aren’t one and the same poster as you seem to be inferring. Rather than troll hunting though why not just think how she knew- she read what was there in a pretty straight up way.

But as I said, report if you want

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iAmBarbara · 04/05/2024 21:51

I joined a Saturday afternoon stagecoach group when I was 14.
we didn’t get the chance to audition either and my first term I didn’t have a single line, I had to mime out something (can’t remember what) whilst other people spoke.
I was quiet socially but had confidence once on stage and had done many local productions before where I had large speaking roles etc (local am dram, at school etc) I was frustrated but I kept my head down and was determined to prove that I could do more.

The next term I got 3 lines.

Following that (after the teachers had time to know my abilities, strengths and weaknesses - and I’d paid my dues so to speak) I had the main parts. (In both straight acting pieces and musical theatre pieces)

You can’t always be the main person, and although you’re all paying it is unrealistic to try and spread everything equally, neither theatre nor life works like that.
Your dc will still be learning and perhaps next time will get a chunk of dialogue.

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:42

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:35

There’s been all sorts of inference, musical theatre, staging, singing , dancing. It’s just as I described. Nothing else.

You called it "the play". Nobody really had much reason to think it wasn't a play. You mentioned eight or nine scenes. You mentioned a final scene. That all sounds like a play to me.

Caligurl then goes on to describe it a something other than a play.

Immediately after which you describe it as something very similar to Caligurl, and you then say 'it's far from a play'.

Caligurl must be psychic.

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:35

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:33

Op, I didn't see anything in your opening post that suggested

"It's a showcase. Think of it like a talent show, or an audition where the same scene will be read multiple times by different actors. It's not meant to be cohesive"

I read the op. You said it was a simplified Shakespeare.

Only after that was posted did you say it was something more akin to that description.

So yes, I read the op.

There’s been all sorts of inference, musical theatre, staging, singing , dancing. It’s just as I described. Nothing else.

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ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:34

CaliGurl · 04/05/2024 20:56

This isn't a real production though. Not only is it restricted to parents, it's just a 'few quick scenes'. You could even have the same character played by different kids.

Nevertheless, OP it's too early to assume that all she's going to be doing is that single line for the entire term. Personally I'd keep an eye on the situation. If your daughter is learning good technique, having fun and generally being stretched in the class having a small part in the 'demo' play might not be an issue.

I'd expect a bigger part in the next term though.

You're paying, so feel free to ask respectful questions if your child isn't getting enough value.

Edited

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head ‘it wouldn’t matter if a part was shared’
Its just a snippet that doesn’t really make sense or conclude

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/05/2024 21:34

She's been there for a week. One week. Just a couple of hours.

They're not going to give her Titania or Lady Macbeth on the basis of a couple of hours.

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:33

Op, I didn't see anything in your opening post that suggested

"It's a showcase. Think of it like a talent show, or an audition where the same scene will be read multiple times by different actors. It's not meant to be cohesive"

I read the op. You said it was a simplified Shakespeare.

Only after that was posted did you say it was something more akin to that description.

So yes, I read the op.

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:30

KnickerlessFlannel · 04/05/2024 21:29

There is also a skill in being part of the chorus/ensemble which is just as important to learn. And also an important life lesson that you can't always be a star

They are literally off stage. It’s a play where they change places, in the last scene dd is present and says a line

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ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:29

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:26

Cross posted with op.

Interesting that Caligurl seemed to know something that the op was just about to post...

she read the op, I guess that’s unusual here

’ It’s Shakespeare, so not something where they are still dancing etc’

‘just a local drama centre group than doesn’t do staged performances’

other Tbf could have got from that there isn’t dancing and it isn’t staged

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KnickerlessFlannel · 04/05/2024 21:29

There is also a skill in being part of the chorus/ensemble which is just as important to learn. And also an important life lesson that you can't always be a star

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:26

Cross posted with op.

Interesting that Caligurl seemed to know something that the op was just about to post...

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:26

AmiablePedant · 04/05/2024 21:12

This is a really really smart response.
And if the OP knew a bit more about drama, she'd know that even in non-musical theatre things happen on stage involving non-speaking characters; there is stage business; there is the work that goes on silently. One doesn't just stand around waiting to deliver one's single line!

There’s no song and dance. It’s not musical theatre. It’s not a staged production. There’s no singing. It’s a simple little script reading tbh

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ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:25

PlantDoctor · 04/05/2024 21:12

YANBU. I'm sure they can't have exactly the same number of lines but it's not fair for half the kids to sit bored through endless rehearsals if you're all paying. It doesn't really matter so much about the end result as them enjoying the process, so who cares if it's hard to follow so many characters?

Tbh I’d rather see them all happy and enjoying themselves that a big show off that 5 kids are amazing.
It’s now cheaper if your child isn’t the focus…

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NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:24

CaliGurl · 04/05/2024 21:15

But it's not a 'production'. It's a showcase. Think of it like a talent show, or an audition where the same scene will be read multiple times by different actors. It's not meant to be cohesive. Individual scenes will stand on their own, there should be clarity within them but not as a wholem. Parents are not expecting to see continuity they just want to see their little darlings act.

@MagicTape makes a lot of sense.

It doesn't sound like a showcase to me. It sounds like a simplified and shortened version of a Shakespeare play.

Where did you get the impression that it's not a cohesive production? (I use the word production to mean something that has been produced btw, so I'm not sure how it's not one)

ArchesOfWisteria · 04/05/2024 21:23

It’s far from a play, it a parents attend the last class and the kids do a little show of what they are doing.
A play, something staged maybe there would be an issue. It’s just 9 short scenes from an adapted script, no real story to follow or enjoyment for the audience. Just a show and tell kinda format

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CaliGurl · 04/05/2024 21:15

NeverEnoughPants · 04/05/2024 21:07

I reckon parents wouldn't be terribly impressed if they found it hard to follow what was going on in the production their child was in, because there were too many characters, or the characters kept changing...

They would think that the person running it couldn't produce something worth watching. And nobody wants to pay for that experience for their children.

But it's not a 'production'. It's a showcase. Think of it like a talent show, or an audition where the same scene will be read multiple times by different actors. It's not meant to be cohesive. Individual scenes will stand on their own, there should be clarity within them but not as a wholem. Parents are not expecting to see continuity they just want to see their little darlings act.

@MagicTape makes a lot of sense.

PlantDoctor · 04/05/2024 21:12

YANBU. I'm sure they can't have exactly the same number of lines but it's not fair for half the kids to sit bored through endless rehearsals if you're all paying. It doesn't really matter so much about the end result as them enjoying the process, so who cares if it's hard to follow so many characters?

AmiablePedant · 04/05/2024 21:12

MagicTape · 04/05/2024 21:07

My child does a similar class. New joiners generally get small parts but all the children learn all of the songs and dance routines. The reason new joiners get small parts is that the teacher doesn't know if they are going to fall apart with anxiety if they don't learn their lines on time, burst into tears on stage, or drop out after three weeks. Nor do they know if the parents are going to be flaky AF, shout at the child if they forget their lines in the performance, or shout at the teacher for giving the child too much to do when they've also got SATs / 11+ / their Grade 27 violin exam this term.

Generally at the franchise my child attends, a small part one term means a bigger one the next time, and at the end of each term the children are asked to express a preference - some children don't want a speaking part and just want to dance, some want a lot of lines, some want a singing solo but aren't bothered about speaking parts and so on. They can't obviously accommodate every child's preference but my experience was that they did their best.

This is a really really smart response.
And if the OP knew a bit more about drama, she'd know that even in non-musical theatre things happen on stage involving non-speaking characters; there is stage business; there is the work that goes on silently. One doesn't just stand around waiting to deliver one's single line!

MagicTape · 04/05/2024 21:07

My child does a similar class. New joiners generally get small parts but all the children learn all of the songs and dance routines. The reason new joiners get small parts is that the teacher doesn't know if they are going to fall apart with anxiety if they don't learn their lines on time, burst into tears on stage, or drop out after three weeks. Nor do they know if the parents are going to be flaky AF, shout at the child if they forget their lines in the performance, or shout at the teacher for giving the child too much to do when they've also got SATs / 11+ / their Grade 27 violin exam this term.

Generally at the franchise my child attends, a small part one term means a bigger one the next time, and at the end of each term the children are asked to express a preference - some children don't want a speaking part and just want to dance, some want a lot of lines, some want a singing solo but aren't bothered about speaking parts and so on. They can't obviously accommodate every child's preference but my experience was that they did their best.

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