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Colourofspring · 04/05/2024 14:12

I have posted about this before but the situation has got worse. We live in terraced housing with small back yards & our neighbour has built a massive garden room that fills the whole back yard pretty much and looks directly into my 12 year old daughters bedroom.

The neighbours have teenage boys and yesterday (and for the last few weekends) there have been large groups of teenage boys in the garden room looking straight into DD’s bedroom so she has to sit with her curtains drawn all the time. I feel like it’s not on on multiple accounts - it’s also really noisy and impossible to sit in our back yard quietly too but I am more bothered about how much of an invasion of privacy it is for my DD.

Aibu? Anyone got any advice? Am feeling pretty pissed off and resentful about it to be honest - I feel like our peace and privacy is being invaded. It’s really tricky in terraces anyway as it’s such a small space!’

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drusth · 10/05/2024 22:17

Colourofspring · 04/05/2024 14:19

They made a big deal of it being ‘permitted development’ but I don’t think it is to be honest

Report them asap. The garden room and lack of privacy may also affect the value of your house.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/05/2024 21:47

Periods FFS.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/05/2024 21:47

Sorry 12 but loads of girls have errors at that age.

And yes, having been sexually harassed from 11 I know teenage boys. As does DD from 11 as well.

Mums of boys, please be aware.

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/05/2024 21:46

In what world is a 13 yo prepubescent?

iffyi · 10/05/2024 21:12

CombatBarbie · 07/05/2024 21:04

Then you are deluded....

all the teenage boys i know would rip the absolute shit out of anyone looking through a 12yo’s window… obviously does depend on whether boys are 13 or 17 though! can’t imagine too many going to look at a prepubescent girl though

Nantescalling · 08/05/2024 01:40

amc8583 · 06/05/2024 19:33

In what way would they be in a right mess? Do you mean in way that ruins neighbourly relations or do you mean legally?

I just mean it would be very difficult living next door to people you have 'reported' to the authorities. Whether you win or lose, they might get unpleasant.

CombatBarbie · 07/05/2024 21:04

iffyi · 06/05/2024 18:23

a 12 year old girl’s? very much doubt it

Then you are deluded....

Goodtogossip · 07/05/2024 14:36

Check with the Council about permission. Even if they have 'Permitted Development' the Terms should stipulate that the building doesn't overlook private/personal space or causes distress. Once you have the info go speak with the neighbour explaining your concerns & ask if they can either heighten their fences, put up blinds or anything else you can think of to minimise their view of your Daughters bedroom. Try & keep calm & if they become unreasonable say you'll speak with the council/planning department asking them to come & view the building & see what they say. If they haven't got permission then they may well not want any hassle & help you resolve the situation.

JaneyBlueEyes · 07/05/2024 08:34

amc8583 · 06/05/2024 19:33

In what way would they be in a right mess? Do you mean in way that ruins neighbourly relations or do you mean legally?

I’m presuming this post refers to neighbourly relations.

Knowing terraced back yards, from the two people I’ve known live in this type of house, there is usually zero privacy anyway and I’d be trying to think of ways to install fencing, privacy blinds etc I would have done this before this garden room was installed as surely, as they’re higher up, they would have been able to look directly into the yard/window anyway?

amc8583 · 06/05/2024 19:33

Nantescalling · 06/05/2024 18:41

Whether it's legal or not, you will be in a right mess if you complain to the authorities and they are forced to take it down. The ideal thing would be one way glass but that's pretty expensive. The sticky-on stuff is almost as good except when the lights are on. Making the fence higher is obviously an option but there again it's notcheap.

In what way would they be in a right mess? Do you mean in way that ruins neighbourly relations or do you mean legally?

Nantescalling · 06/05/2024 18:41

Whether it's legal or not, you will be in a right mess if you complain to the authorities and they are forced to take it down. The ideal thing would be one way glass but that's pretty expensive. The sticky-on stuff is almost as good except when the lights are on. Making the fence higher is obviously an option but there again it's notcheap.

iffyi · 06/05/2024 18:23

NigelHarmansNewWife · 04/05/2024 16:11

Really naive to think teenage lads won't look into a girl's bedroom!

a 12 year old girl’s? very much doubt it

Seeline · 06/05/2024 15:07

As I have said - several times- I am talking about permitted development rights. Because the issue was did the building/extension require PP.
As I have also said, other legislation and regulations will have other rules. But that will not stop something being permitted development under the planning legislation.

Kandalama · 06/05/2024 14:59

Kandalama · 06/05/2024 14:55

Appreciate you have experience.
Likewise as an architect.
You can’t put a window looking straight into a habitable room. See my post ie on a boundary ( 1m back you are probably ok as you can block it with a fence - see my post ).

Nothing is just as simple as saying you are allowed an overlooking window at ground floor, It’s not that simple.

( She’s a terrace, so the properties will be very close )

Permitted development doesn’t give people the right to run amoch and ignore others rights.

Ps
Of course I forgot to mention the fire hazard issue too if it’s less than 1m 😳

Kandalama · 06/05/2024 14:55

Seeline · 06/05/2024 14:40

Erm it's entirely accurate under the General Permitted Development Order in England. As I said there may be other factors under other legislation but that wasn't what was being discussed.
Over 30 years in planning dealing with this stuff.

Appreciate you have experience.
Likewise as an architect.
You can’t put a window looking straight into a habitable room. See my post ie on a boundary ( 1m back you are probably ok as you can block it with a fence - see my post ).

Nothing is just as simple as saying you are allowed an overlooking window at ground floor, It’s not that simple.

( She’s a terrace, so the properties will be very close )

Permitted development doesn’t give people the right to run amoch and ignore others rights.

luckylavender · 06/05/2024 14:52

Sillyjane · 04/05/2024 14:20

If it’s permitted development there is little you can do. I very much doubt teenage lads are staring in. Put some one way film on the glass or put up voiles. I recall your previous thread, why didn’t you just do that then?

Do you know any teenage boys?

TinaYouFatLard · 06/05/2024 14:50

Unless you are planning to move soon, I would try and solve this problem with blinds/voiles before reporting to the council.

Do you want to start a war with your neighbours?

Seeline · 06/05/2024 14:40

Kandalama · 06/05/2024 14:35

That’s not quite accurate
If an extension forms a boundary and sits on the boundary line into the neighbours you cannot put windows at ground level.
If it sits back from the boundary line then of course the neighbour could just put up a 2m high fence. However, if the window overlooks a habitable room or personal external space ( that’s 5m from your back wall) then, no, you can’t do it.

Erm it's entirely accurate under the General Permitted Development Order in England. As I said there may be other factors under other legislation but that wasn't what was being discussed.
Over 30 years in planning dealing with this stuff.

Kandalama · 06/05/2024 14:35

Seeline · 06/05/2024 14:26

Even if the garden room is an extension, if built under permitted development there are only restrictions on first floor windows in side elevations. At ground floor level they can go anywhere, be fully opening and clear glazed. If PP is required, then restrictions can be imposed.

Again there may be restrictions under Building Regs, but that is not what is being discussed.

That’s not quite accurate
If an extension forms a boundary and sits on the boundary line into the neighbours you cannot put windows at ground level.
If it sits back from the boundary line then of course the neighbour could just put up a 2m high fence. However, if the window overlooks a habitable room or personal external space ( that’s 5m from your back wall) then, no, you can’t do it.

Seeline · 06/05/2024 14:26

Even if the garden room is an extension, if built under permitted development there are only restrictions on first floor windows in side elevations. At ground floor level they can go anywhere, be fully opening and clear glazed. If PP is required, then restrictions can be imposed.

Again there may be restrictions under Building Regs, but that is not what is being discussed.

Kandalama · 06/05/2024 14:07

Seeline · 06/05/2024 10:51

If I have understood correctly, the OP is referring to an outbuilding, not an extension. The rules for permitted development are different for each.

There are no rules relating to windows in outbuildings built under permitted development in planning terms. You can put them where you like. There may be controls under the Building Regs.

OP has called it a garden room.
She mentioned she lives in a terrace and it looks into her daughters bedroom.
I understood it was a classic Victorian terrace with a large extension attached to the house.

Hence whilst you can get permitted development based on volume and length, that doesn’t mean you can stick windows wherever you like, nor does it mean you can, for example…drain into your neighbours, build onto a party wall, block out lots of light.
Theres planning, bregs, party wall awards, rights of light etc etc Lots of stuff to deal with. No one can think I have permitted development and just do what they want .

The same with outbuildings……..

Seeline · 06/05/2024 10:51

If I have understood correctly, the OP is referring to an outbuilding, not an extension. The rules for permitted development are different for each.

There are no rules relating to windows in outbuildings built under permitted development in planning terms. You can put them where you like. There may be controls under the Building Regs.

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 06/05/2024 10:46

Dunelm day and night blinds look good As do the blinds you pull up from the bottom so you only need to cover the bottom half.
or as others have said the window clings / film.

WearyAuldWumman · 06/05/2024 09:44

amc8583 · 06/05/2024 01:52

We are building a single story extension and so far the council have been out 4 times. Three times to check at particular points of the build which they asked to come and once because the neighbours have complained because she thinks " it's too big."
Everything is well above board but they have been extremely thorough.

That's good. I wish they'd come out more with us...we discovered a problem with the drainage 10 yrs after the build was completed. I'm now faced with ripping up my floor.

JaneyBlueEyes · 06/05/2024 09:30

RareTulipsDisplay · 06/05/2024 09:22

Even if it is permitted development I think you'll find that there are rules about windows overlooking neighbours and distance from boundaries. A phone call or email to the planning department with photos might help you to get advice.

But in terraced housing, especially those with small back yards like the OP describes, there are often windows overlooking the neighbours yards.