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That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?

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WandsOut · 04/05/2024 11:54

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13372909/breastfeeding-charity-bullying-trans-women-row.html

www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/music/breastfeeding-charity-suspends-trustees-who-want-to-ban-trans-women-from-its-services/ar-AA1nZKUU

They have always been inclusive of biological women who identify as trans men and also non binary.

But allowing men who identify as women into their sessions whilst vulnerable women are learning how to breastfeed? Seriously? And what about women like myself from a faith that doesn't permit men to be in intimate spaces with women? What about women like myself who are survivors of domestic abuse who had to learn to breastfeed whilst making symptoms of PTSD.
I don't want biological males hijacking these services for women!!!! It makes me feel unsafe, traumatised and afraid for my daughters.

Why is LLL suddenly falling over themselves to accommodate men with fetishes for lactation?

I feel like I'm going crazy when I read what's happening to places like LLL and Girl Guides.

Why are people so dangerously naive now?

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XChrome · 13/11/2024 22:35

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:06

The "fluid" is milk.

It baffles me the vitriol aimed at such a small proportion of society.

They aren't hurting you. They are more likely to be the victims of violence than any other demographic in our society. It makes no sense to despise them so much.

@BalletCat

They are more likely to be the victims of violence than any other demographic in our society.

Nope. Overall, men of colour are the demographic most likely to be victims of violence.

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:34

HaddyAbrams · 13/11/2024 22:29

But what does "live as a woman" actually mean?

Dress as a woman, wear makeup, behave as woman, usually marry a man and have a female name, do all the things biological women do.

Livinginaclock · 13/11/2024 22:33

Anyone defending it is defending child abuse, it's utterly disgusting.
This is abuse in plain sight.

Jollyjoy · 13/11/2024 22:32

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:04

They're not being used as a prop for mens validation FFS.

You're being ridiculous by insinuating that trans women wanting to feed their baby is about anything other than wanting to feed their baby like a woman, because they live their life as woman.

Would you seriously want this dude anywhere near you when you’re vulnerable and seeking support breastfeeding your baby? I think you’re very naive to suggest that there are not men with fetishises in this sphere. Incredibly naive. I’ve made it sensitive because it’s a man posing as if breastfeeding a real child and it’s quite disturbing to me.

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That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?
ZeldaFighter · 13/11/2024 22:31

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:23

Because it was hateful.

I did think the f word was perhaps a bit too much!

Hateful is strong though - I don't hate trans people, I just think that we should be allowed to discuss major changes in how society should be organised and we should be able to say no to some things.

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:31

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 13/11/2024 22:17

Humans cannot change sex. Transwomen are men. Men cannot become female. But you know all this. Why do you bother repeating nonsense? You’re not going to convince any sane adult.

They cannot change sex completely. But a transwoman who has had top/bottom surgery and taken hormones is no longer a man. They are physically and biochemically different from men.

They are not biological women they are transwomen. Which is different from a man once they have completed their transition. It is also different from a biological woman but that doesn't make the just a bloke in a dress.

I don't understand people's hatred for such a small percentage of the population who lives very difficult lives. Transgender people face so much abuse and violence in their lives and are regularly the victim of hate crimes, anyone enduring that is not doing so for a laugh or for a sneak peak at a tit.

The fact people can't see this is all hysteria whipped up by the media to distract people from what is really going on in politics and societal problems is ridiculous.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 13/11/2024 22:30

Do you know any trans people personally or do you just believe the insane hysteria the media is whipping up? They're just normal people who want to live as the opposite gender. They're not the bloody boogeyman.

I do. Does anyone not, now?
Much of what you call "insane hysteria" is in their own words on social media.

"Living as the opposite gender" is just performing certain stereotypes. I can spend my day in jeans and a hoody, no make-up, fixing a car, and I'll still be a woman at the end of that day.

HaddyAbrams · 13/11/2024 22:29

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:26

They can live their life as a woman. They just can't be a biological woman.

None of the trans women I have met have been pushing for the mutilation andd sterilisation of children.

Do you know any trans people personally or do you just believe the insane hysteria the media is whipping up? They're just normal people who want to live as the opposite gender. They're not the bloody boogeyman.

But what does "live as a woman" actually mean?

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:26

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 13/11/2024 22:08

because they live their life as woman.

The only way to live your life as a woman is to be born female and become adult.

It makes no sense to despise them so much.

Other than women's sports, women's prisons, taking women's awards, pushing for the mutilation and sterilisation of children.... no sense at all.

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They can live their life as a woman. They just can't be a biological woman.

None of the trans women I have met have been pushing for the mutilation andd sterilisation of children.

Do you know any trans people personally or do you just believe the insane hysteria the media is whipping up? They're just normal people who want to live as the opposite gender. They're not the bloody boogeyman.

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:23

ZeldaFighter · 13/11/2024 22:16

Aww, got deleted 😢 and it took ages to type all that one-thumbed on my phone 😞

Because it was hateful.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 13/11/2024 22:17

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 21:52

By being transgender, transitioning from male to female and using hormone therapy to alter their body and become more feminine.

Trans women are not just blokes in dresses.

Humans cannot change sex. Transwomen are men. Men cannot become female. But you know all this. Why do you bother repeating nonsense? You’re not going to convince any sane adult.

BodyKeepingScore · 13/11/2024 22:16

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 21:52

By being transgender, transitioning from male to female and using hormone therapy to alter their body and become more feminine.

Trans women are not just blokes in dresses.

Oh they absolutely are just blokes in dresses. No human can change sex. And now babies are being used in pursuit of adult delusion.

ZeldaFighter · 13/11/2024 22:16

Aww, got deleted 😢 and it took ages to type all that one-thumbed on my phone 😞

ZeldaFighter · 13/11/2024 22:13

The fluid is not milk.

No human being can change sex. Fake implanted tits and too much oestrogen does not turn a man into a woman.

Breastmilk changes at least 3 times during the baby's life- from the initial colostrum to first milk to later milk. How does a man taking wrong-sex hormones do that?

On your other points, the number of people claiming to be trans is rising rapidly and the damage being done to society is very real. Women have lost their livelihoods raising the alarm on this, male rapists are in female prisons in the US and single-sex services for domestic violence and rape survivors have been illegally removed.

Rainbowshit · 13/11/2024 22:12

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 21:52

By being transgender, transitioning from male to female and using hormone therapy to alter their body and become more feminine.

Trans women are not just blokes in dresses.

It's not possible to transition from male to female. They are just blokes in dresses.

Rainbowshit · 13/11/2024 22:11

The "fluid" is milk.

It baffles me the vitriol aimed at such a small proportion of society.

They aren't hurting you. They are more likely to be the victims of violence than any other demographic in our society. It makes no sense to despise them so much.

They are hurting BABIES by feeding them drug loaded secretions that have not been properly safety tested. It's not for the babies benefit, its pure selfishness. WTF is wrong with you?

dementedpixie · 13/11/2024 22:10

Male and female breasts are not the same. Who knows what mix of hormones is secreted into the fake man milk. Is it even safe for babies to drink?

That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?
Hunglikeapolevaulter · 13/11/2024 22:08

because they live their life as woman.

The only way to live your life as a woman is to be born female and become adult.

It makes no sense to despise them so much.

Other than women's sports, women's prisons, taking women's awards, pushing for the mutilation and sterilisation of children.... no sense at all.

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:06

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The "fluid" is milk.

It baffles me the vitriol aimed at such a small proportion of society.

They aren't hurting you. They are more likely to be the victims of violence than any other demographic in our society. It makes no sense to despise them so much.

BenjiCat · 13/11/2024 22:04

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:02

You do know that men have breast tissue and can get breast cancer right?

What are you on about chemical fluids? It's milk, produced by taking lactation inducing hormones. It's the exact same process adoptive mothers follow to breast feed their babies they also didn't give birth to.

I think you've been drinking the Kool Aid ...

BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:04

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 13/11/2024 22:00

Does speaking about trans people in such derogatory terms make you feel better?

The terms are factual.
Babies are not and should not be a prop for men's validation.

They're not being used as a prop for mens validation FFS.

You're being ridiculous by insinuating that trans women wanting to feed their baby is about anything other than wanting to feed their baby like a woman, because they live their life as woman.

ZeldaFighter · 13/11/2024 22:04

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BalletCat · 13/11/2024 22:02

DoreenonTill8 · 13/11/2024 22:00

'Chest' feed their baby with what? Chemical fluids?

You do know that men have breast tissue and can get breast cancer right?

What are you on about chemical fluids? It's milk, produced by taking lactation inducing hormones. It's the exact same process adoptive mothers follow to breast feed their babies they also didn't give birth to.

dementedpixie · 13/11/2024 22:01

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JohnTheRevelator · 13/11/2024 22:01

Because it's all about what men want. As it always has been.