That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?

Which is completely different and you know it.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/i-want-widen-bandwidth-gender-9686747

Alex here also describes theyself as a lesbian

This has turned into a discussion of men’s rights.

I resigned from LLL several years ago, because I believed that this policy would disadvantage women and babies, as the cost of including trans women.

My focus is on the mother baby dyad, at one of the most vulnerable times in their lives, and what’s best for them. There is no advantage to them to including strange men. There may be an advantage for individuals to involve their DH, and LLL meetings (in my experience) cater to that without involving the man in the main meeting.

I just don't believe that a man with a fetish would go to the length of literally transitioning which takes years, having top or bottom surgery, taking estrogen to alter their bodies and voices, having their own baby and then inducing lactation with a hormonal protocol.

You are naive. Men go to huge amounts of effort and invest massively in order to realise their fetishes.

The sheer amount of effort that would take surely makes it obvious that only actual transwomen with a genuine want to feed their baby would do it.

No matter how genuine a mother's want to breastfeed her baby, no matter what enormous efforts she puts into breastfeeding, feeding a baby is about what is best for the baby, not for the mother. Actual women with a genuine want to feed their baby, don't breastfeed, or stop breastfeeding, when the medications they are taking may be harmful to their baby.

You literally can't see it blurred 🙄

I know you're not offended. You clearly don't give a shit. And I'm not insulting you I'm pointing out a fact. You can disagree with someone or their behaviour without using disgusting insulting language about them, which is where the phobia comes in.

I saw the phrase "birthing person" yesterday. My mind was blown.

That picture is disgusting because it's clearly not just a trans woman trying to feed her baby in a natural womanly way. It's clearly over sexualised. It's also clearly an example that was chosen to offend people and prove it is a fetish. No cognitive dissonance here. I agreed with PPs that some people will be weirdos with fetishes but I don't believe they're the ones that are going to be asking for support at a LLL meeting.

Oh the good old transphobe insult. Waah I'm so offended. Its actually more insulting to class men who want to shove their nipples into children's mouths alongside 'other minorities' as you put it.

Oh yeah it never happens does it, along with all the other werid things men like that do which never happens.

Blurred was repulsive enough thank you.

I agree it's disgusting

Why? Surely it's just a "trans woman" feeding a child in a natural womanly way?

Your cognitive dissonance must be tough to live with.

Is it even possible, even with all the meds in the world for a biological male to produce milk like a woman does?

No. They may be able to stimulate themselves to produce a bit but it's not likely to be enough to sustain an infant. The claimed "evidence" that said males do is very dubious.

@BalletCat That's just made up bullshit.

Here you go... and in his own words.

Trans woman wants uterus transplant to ‘have an abortion’
“A trans activist has posted a video on Twitter expressing their wish to have a uterus transplant in order to become the “first trans woman” to have an abortion.”
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/trans-woman-wants-uterus-transplant-to-have-an-abortion/video/ca537291dfda02241364fee8ba112a00

A man wants to get a uterus transplant and become the first “trans-woman” to abort a baby.
https://www.instagram.com/liveactionorg/reel/CxbwAqDRUz9/?hl=en

So you're a transphobe.

Do you hate other minorities too?

No one made you look at the picture, it's literally blurred out. You viewed it by choice. I agree it's disgusting but it's not a realistic representative of the trans women who would want to attend a breast feeding support group. No one on this thread has managed to produce evidence of an oversexed pornified cross dressing man crashing an LLL meeting to satisfy a fetish.

From memory there is a transwoman who wants a uterus implant, so he can get pregnant and be the first transwoman to get an abortion

That's just made up bullshit. I can only find any info about that on the Toronto Sun and it's even called out as being a fake video created to spark outrage there. No reputable sources have reported on this being a real intention.

I would call that human trafficking.

Stop sucking up to nonces.

Women who produce a small amount of breast milk and also use formula are nothing to do with men, penis chopped off or not as only a man can have a penis removed, who want to abuse babies by putting them on their nipples.

The picture on this thread is absolutely repulsive and I could of done without seeing a child abuse image.

That poor child.

Re smears, that already happens for neo vaginas.

From memory there is a transwoman who wants a uterus implant, so he can get pregnant and be the first transwoman to get an abortion.

I don't think anything is off limits.

And as I don't have Layla Morans' amazing ability to see the souls of TruTrans I'm afraid I cannot detect the difference between a poor transwoman "living their lives as 'women'" and 'just random men that are waltzing in off the street' so all men can go set up their own groups.

Sorry I should have wrote trans women not transwomen. My bad

What am I bringing 3 children into

Like a poster said I know quite a few transwomen and most of them want to live their live quietly. Two of them of good friends and they actually want all this nonsense to die down so they can get on with their lives. They say all this activists are making life more difficult for them.

The other three I knew I used to know though work as we were a diversity charity- well let’s just say a would not have trusted them in a women’s space and would not have been at all happy to have them in a changing room or a breastfeeding group with me.

sorry but any transwomen who wants to be a part of a breastfeeding class is there to satisfy a fetish, there is no other reason.

I am waiting for the first transwomen to demand a smear test.

What's your point?

Should I throw them to the dogs and agree with everyone here that they're just evil perverts?

The trans women I know would not lose their minds over there not being a space where the should be one or turn on allies they desperately need in society.

Having a middle aged male sitting in your living room in a pink crop top saying that he's actually a teenage girl as he's just going through puberty is a bit of an eye opener. And the rest.

I'm sure it is! That has not been my experience of trans women though! The trans women I know just want to live their lives quietly and be accepted.

The trans woman I know adopted her baby because after having surgery and taking hormones for years she was no longer fertile as a man. It's perfectly valid for a trans person to adopt a baby., surely you wouldn't call adopting not having your own baby?

Do you know any trans people personally or do you just believe the insane hysteria the media is whipping up? They're just normal people who want to live as the opposite gender. They're not the bloody boogeyman

Yes I do know several trans people personally. It was someone very close to me transitioning that opening my eyes to the misogyny and toxicity of this ideology.

Having a middle aged male sitting in your living room in a pink crop top saying that he's actually a teenage girl as he's just going through puberty is a bit of an eye opener. And the rest.

I agree that you can tell the difference between people with gender dysphoria and people who have a kink for cross dressing easily.

Has anyone actually witnessed OTT pornified men crashing LLL meetings?

I put a lot of effort into breast feeding my baby but still had to use bottles and formula due to low supply. Did that make my effort pointless?

My main aim was always to feed my baby, but I wanted to breast feed. Combi feeding is completely valid. Not being able to EBF is not a good argument against attempting to breast feed