That The La Leche League have dangerously lost the plot?

I used to post the link on MN threads where people were declaring that these male
people ‘just want to pee. ‘

Yes I think they have lost the plot. It is a shame because this organisation has been around for a long time and helped lots of women and babies.

It was Nig's tweet thread. It was archived but some of the links did not work on it.

I will have a look at this new profile Utopia and see if it back and added to. Thank you!

And yes dogo, it was grim reading.

I think I remember that Twitter thread @Helleofabore. A very, very long thread with dozens of videos and photos of different men with trans identities masturbating in women's loos. I'm not that easily shocked but the thread made me feel physically sick and stayed with me for a very long time. It comes back to mind every time a woman says she's cool with sharing women's spaces with men who identify as women.

Was that the Nig Heke Twitter account? That account was both enlightening and horrifying for what it found and warned women about in terms of men making porn in women’s spaces.

A second account was set up after mass reporting to close the first one down but it hasn’t been posting for about a year (definite content warning if you want to view it):

https://x.com/NigHekeReturns2

Just to clarify:

The thread that was deleted was for quite a few of these male's touting for visits to their porn channels on pay per view sites.

There were more that linked directly to twitter posts and other social media posts with this content. It was not just a few who were using it for getting views. it was too many who were very much into ensuring that female people understood that they were doing this in female single sex spaces.. It is intimidation.

And there would be an element of that intimidation to many male people insisting they are allowed to access any group that should be single sex.

Yes, I’m sure lots of them are here too. I’m very grateful.

There are many posters on X taking that job very seriously.

Yes I hope some clever and organised people have saved all that evidence - those of us that have had concerns for years will remember it all and can discuss it, but people starting to look into ‘can these claims really be true’ are not going to reach a balanced picture. Although that’s modern propaganda on various cultural disputes, not just this one, I’m not sure lots of people will be aware how curated a basic internet search is though, I’m not very techy at all but can see the intentional manipulation of what’s available.

Thanks.

I also remember someone who was banned from twitter before Musk took over had a great thread that detailed all the links to male people who were masturbating in female single sex toilets. Because, remember also at the time that twitter allowed pornography to be posted and it was a very 'delicate' situation at the time where you would go and search for a male with a transgender identity's profile on twitter and end up viewing their self published porn.

The thread that was deleted was for quite a few of these male's touting for visits to their porn channels on pay per view sites. But the theme was the growing number of these male people with penises and artificially developed breasts masturbating in cubicles beside women toileting their children as you could hear the mothers and their children loudly in the clips.

When evidence is removed, I think people like to think that it isn't happening.

I think it was just ‘trans woman breastfeeding baby pictures’ - iirc that was what was suggested by google. It was only a few hits down. I searched the same again but no sign of it now.

Very dodgy about the article. I’m sure some activists are watching MN and taking these kind of actions.

What did you google, please? I have tried googling for it over the past year using broad terms and specific terms and it had disappeared. I wonder if it has appeared again when people noticed it was not coming up?

I have had the same experience in trying to find a piece about the growing trend of 'pregnancy' shoots for male people with trans identities. I saw an article about it years ago. There were photographers specialising in this type of shoot where these male people had strap on pregnancy bumps and were having glamour photography done. That article too disappeared. I don't know if the photographers or the trend has disappeared too but there it was....

Wow that is interesting as I didn’t have it saved, I had just googled, having seen it before, and found it easily when I posted. It’s almost like some people are invested in covering up the idea that men trying to induce lactation is for their benefit only.

DaisyTheLazy, I would imagine it's because it would highlight the truth that they were born with MALE anatomy and they don't want to hear that.

The abortion fetish is actually more common than that.

We even had a male poster who declared that they were 'female' on MN tell us that they looked forward to the day that male people could do this. They, personally, hoped it was as soon as all the media outlets were saying that it was coming so that they, the poster, could experience abortion personally.

However, it has been said by people that have considered themselves leading transgender activists too. Grace Lavery, who wrote a book all about Grace's penis, has said this. And the book flopped too....

And it doesn't stop at abortion either. There are male people who have accessed stillborn mother support groups (for mothers specifically not for both parents)

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/princess-mom?s=r

How many women and children do you think are acceptable to be harmed before you, balletcat stop shaming women because you, personally, don't like the language they use?

This may need a content warning, so be warned this link show males talking about the amazing electric charge they get from infants feeding from their nipples amongst other things.

https://www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

What is very clear, is that this is NEVER about the child. This is never child centred. This is all about the male person's demands being met.

But here is a question that you simply ignored on the other thread @BalletCat . Not sure why, maybe it was too hard to face to come up with an honest answer. Because it is hard to face the impact of what shaming women who are raising the alarm just because you, personally, don't like the language they use. Because despite your denials, shaming women raising the alarm is an act of silencing and who the fuck benefits when no alarms are being raised.... it most certainly is not the infants involved!

Would you like to tell us just how many infants should be subjected to this behaviour before women and LLL founders can discuss it without being shamed by others?

How many infants would you find acceptable before male people should again be excluded from female only breastfeeding sessions? 1? well, we already know that we have passed that number in the UK. 5? We know that there have been at least 9 in Queensland Australia alone. So, would 15 be ok for you before women don't have to be shamed for discussing it using any fucking language they feel is appropriate?

Do you have a number in mind balletcat?

Or will you now continue with the dismissive language that you use, such as "I would imagine it's is vanishingly rare for a trans woman to attempt breast feeding"?

For those who are interested in reading more, here is a good place to start.

A transitioned male expert was the one who was putting up alerts about this, not the two people who carried out the treatment.

www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.

Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

So, there we have it. A transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.

And this is key too:

After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.

Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.

So.... for how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed?

This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!!

And this was supposed to be monitored surely. It was an experiment. Why was this allowed!

From the New Scientist article.

It seems we need a reminder on every x pages but especially for @BalletCat :

No male can ever experience life as a woman. They can only ever experience life as a male person who believes they are a woman.

Even when they 'act' like a woman, they are acting as they believe a 'woman' should act. Which is fucking misogynistic!

Even if they are treated 'as a woman' by some people, they are being treated as a 'male who presents as a woman and believes they are a woman'. Because their every reaction is based on that. Not on them being female in any way.

Even when they have extreme body modifications, it is to be their own concept of what a female looks like to them. It is not what a female is. How can it be?

The only way a person can experience life as a woman, is to have a female body, formed around the production of large gametes, even if it doesn't produce those and to navigate their life based on the decisions they and society makes that revolve around them having that body.

A male can conceptualise what it might be like to be a female, but that is all it ever is - their concept of being female.

They may do it because they don't feel they fit into how they conceptualise how a male person interacts with the world (ie. their own stereotypes around being male) or they do it because they want to be seen as a female (using their own stereotypes of how a female navigates life). It really doesn't matter though. Their motivation is irrelevant to the outcome. And I consider the outcome can only be described as misogyny.

Which is that they will always be just a male who believes they are something they are objectively not.

How can the material reality be any different? This is why someone's gender is only based on someone's philosophical belief. And philosophical beliefs are fine for people to hold, but not one person in the UK has to comply with another's philosophical belief.

The logic cannot be any different than that I am afraid.

None of the studies of male people feeding secretions from their nipples have ever tested the substance for drug interaction from the drugs taken. Or even testosterone.

Ever. Why is that do you think?

Instead we see the studies into the ‘nutritional components’ and the process to induce. It is very dishonest in this way. We know that the main drug that induces lactation is very carefully and sparingly used for assisting mothers to breastfeed. If they can even get that drug, Domperidone, at all. It is known to cause heart issues and while short term it seems to have little impact on infants at the low and careful doses in short term, it is really not yet known whether it is fine long term.

And these studies ignore this.

And testosterone levels in the substance is not tested (not the full way through the study). We know absolutely that testosterone suppression is not reliable and levels will climb and fall over time. And we also know from female people taking testosterone that testosterone has serious side effects on foetuses. And we know from detransitioners that testosterone takes time to lower, one female transitioner reports that even four years after ceasing testosterone treatment, she has very high testosterone levels.

This fluid is not tested even adequately. And there are other drug interactions that form GAC treatments, not tested.

Here is a good explainer with a link to a previous explainer. Both are informative reading. The author is a medical doctor.

https://lascapigliata.com/2023/07/03/case-study-2-experiment-of-induced-lactation-in-a-trans-identifying-male-excerpt-from-born-in-the-right-body/

Thank you for this image. I have been trying to find it.

But strangely, it seems that those publishing it finally understood the significance of it and have deleted it. It is proof of how far society has had its boundaries lowered that any person thinks this is to be celebrated with a photo posed as this.

Well said @goldenshred . It's about the needs of children not the wants of narcissistic adults with low self worth who are so desperate for some validation that they centre themselves in a context of children being fed! you know, fed. To actually keep the baby alive. Life or death. Not all this literal violence bollocks!

I've still yet to see a single statistic of a single transwoman coming to actual physical harm, like actual death due to being not allowed in a women's space or horror of horrors, being misgendered. Also where are all these suicides of young people being told by their parents they are too young to transition or that boys can't be girls etc? Not. A. Single. One.

I wonder why not? 🤔

If you don't believe that a heterosexual man with a paraphilia would be interested in taking hormones and pursuing surgical transition then you might want to know about anatomical and physiological autogynaephilia:

• Physiologic autogynephilia: aroused by the normal body functions of women
• Anatomic autogynephilia: aroused by the idea of having a woman's body,

The above are two of the four main types of autogynaephilia (AGP):

• physiological,
• behavioural,
• anatomical
• transvestic fetishist

Here is some information that discusses elements of all of the above:

1. a blog written by a transsexual discussing AGP https://mirandayardley.com/en/a-history-of-autogynephilia/

2. An explanation of AGP https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-elephant-in-the-room

That's very kind @LilyBartsHatShop - I'm honoured! There's a bold fail in that post though - the top two lines of that post is the quote I was responding to, but I couldn't edit on my phone.