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AIBU to think that all the recent threads about benefits are heading too far towards online bullying?

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LeopardsRockingham · 03/05/2024 19:28

The way disabled people are being treated and spoken about on here in recent days is disgusting. It is verging on online hate crimes and if ithey were about other marginalised groups would not have been allowed to stand by MNHQ.

The disinformation, the sneering, the complete lack of compassion from so many Mumsnetters is vile.

Disability for the very most part isn't something that people bring onto themselves. Parents don't do anything but have different luck to you and have a disabled child.

My genetics are different to yours so I have a fucked up immune system and the host of problems that has given me.

My DH had a horrific upbringing which has led him to have MH problems- he works by the way. I did too for a long time until my body couldn't cope.

My DC was injured at birth due to a hospital fault.

My neighbour fell off his bike and has a traumatic brain injury.

My friend has breast cancer.

My cousin is dead at 38 due to epilepsy.

My nephew is so unhappy due to his ADHD bot letting him fit in at school and my sister is having trouble helping him through it due to hers.

Why are we so unworthy to you?

Are we not due the same courtesy of online treatment as those of different races and religion...or does that go out the window as you pay for us?

@MNHQ why is it acceptable for you to allow your users to bully the marginalised on this site?

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ilovesooty · 03/05/2024 20:05

WinterMorn · 03/05/2024 19:41

Well, is it right that we then foot the bill for this sort of lifestyle choice then?

Addiction is more complex than a lifestyle choice.

LeopardsRockingham · 03/05/2024 20:02

The next post was pretty much exactly what I meant.

I just can't write on the Internet....unless I'm Laurence Fox or some other like minded twat.
All black people are lazy and just sit around getting stoned all day
(NOT MY BELIEF AT ALL)

And when someone like @XenoBitch comes on to give reasons why this may be the case, generational trauma, poverty, pain relief, mood stabilers.....alcoholism being a disease. Then that answer isn't appropriate it's all well "I'm not paying my money for scum like that"

So if ita not appropriate to say it about a race/religion/a.n. other group.....why is it OK to say about disabled people.

And saying ohhh all the ones I know like from my estate or my mums, friends aunts uncle Bob is absolutely ignorant and has been explained over and over and yet MN still just let it stand.

Disability benefits are HARD to get.
ESA is HARD to get
PIP is HARD to get....you can still work
DLA is hard to get

Many people who get these benefits need them to live a basic life, mine go on my mortgage payment on a house I can't sell as I'm in negative equity and it was bought when I had a great job. So we could go bankrupt or keep on trucking.

Every penny of my sons DLA is spent on continence products. The amount the state provide are not enough and if we didn't buy more he'd be in hospital constantly or dead from infection.

But people make up their fairytale beliefs and come on and belittle an entire section of society and we are just meant to lie down and let you.

No

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HappyGoLucky96 · 03/05/2024 20:02

My son has a disability from birth, in the last 4 years I developed a health condition down below that makes it not possible to work I’m also a single parent one disabled son and one daughter, I care for my son as much as I can but I can barely look after my self but I have no choice to look and be a carer to my son! In mind I can barely walk most days

Uricon2 · 03/05/2024 20:00

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:57

No I bought my house. I presume it was subsidised at some point and someone bought it from the LA.

Possibly with a 60% discount that no private renter would ever get.

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/05/2024 19:59

Yanbu OP

It's always the same names. There is something clearly wrong with them that they get some perverse kind of pleasure attacking the most vulnerable. It reminds me of kids who pull wings off flies.

Mumsnet need to clamp down decisively. This kind of shit wouldn't be allowed with racism. Far too much leeway is given to ableism.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:58

Noyokymum · 03/05/2024 19:57

Your replies really do emphasise your ignorance/ lack of intelligence and critical thinking!

Well there's not much point even attempting to have a reasonable debate on Mumsnet so I'm not going to bother.

Noyokymum · 03/05/2024 19:57

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:44

Whatever you want to think.

Your replies really do emphasise your ignorance/ lack of intelligence and critical thinking!

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:57

Uricon2 · 03/05/2024 19:56

So you're in LA housing, being subsidised?

Oh the horror! You see, it can extend to you too.

No I bought my house. I presume it was subsidised at some point and someone bought it from the LA.

Beezknees · 03/05/2024 19:56

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How do you know these people are on benefits? Unless you've seen their bank accounts you know nothing.

WinterMorn · 03/05/2024 19:56

Hmmm, some of the nasty and directed comments on here about a post complaining of online bullying…🤷‍♀️

Uricon2 · 03/05/2024 19:56

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:41

Come live on my council estate for a while and then see how ignorant you think I am!

So you're in LA housing, being subsidised?

Oh the horror! You see, it can extend to you too.

saveforthat · 03/05/2024 19:56

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Yes this has hit the nail on the head. It's the same in my area. Benefits were set up for those in genuine need and I appreciate there are many like you and the people you listed who fully deserve them. I have no problem with my money going to those in need through no fault of their own. Sadly nowadays so many wasters just play the system. I am sorry that you are being tarred with the same brush.

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 19:54

Haha, if punching down makes you feel better about yourself then fill your boots I suppose. It’s very common for people who are unhappy with their own lives.

VeraForever · 03/05/2024 19:53

It's such an emotive subject.

Disabled people can often work , with suitable support in place.

However, I live in a town where the percentage of people claiming disability benefits is considerably higher than the national average.

How did that happen?

It also transpires that my town has an unusually high number of teenage pregnancies.
This coincides with a higher than average youth unemployment.

This has been the case for many years.

What's the answer?

XenoBitch · 03/05/2024 19:53

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A "burden"? You said that.
Is that what you think of any disabled friend you have that don't work?

And all this talk about benefits at the moment from the government is about PIP, which is a benefit someone can claim even if they ARE WORKING.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:51

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 19:51

Does it make you happy to slag off people on the internet whose lives or history you know absolutely fuck all about? Sad. Do you think people wake up one day saying ‘Oh you know what? I think I’ll turn into an alcoholic and ruin my life and prospects for absolutely no reason whatsoever? 🤣🤣

Yes, it's how I get my kicks.

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 19:51

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:48

Whatever makes you happy! We could go back on forth on this one all night I think 😂

Does it make you happy to slag off people on the internet whose lives or history you know absolutely fuck all about? Sad. Do you think people wake up one day saying ‘Oh you know what? I think I’ll turn into an alcoholic and ruin my life and prospects for absolutely no reason whatsoever? 🤣🤣

DickJagger · 03/05/2024 19:50

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A burden on society? Wow.

WithACatLikeTread · 03/05/2024 19:50

It is not just disabilities. It is anyone who claims benefits getting the criticism.

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/05/2024 19:50

MidnightPatrol · 03/05/2024 19:44

What have you seen that would be considered a hate crime?

On the other recent thread a vulnerable poster who had been very open with her mental health struggles was told she should go die under a bridge.

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 19:50

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:39

Because I work hard and pay my taxes to keep them entertained apparently.

Get off your high fucking horse.

This thread didn't need starting. MN don't care. We're just going to get a shit load shit piled on on this thread as well

WickedWitchoftheNorthWest1 · 03/05/2024 19:49

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Dweetfidilove · 03/05/2024 19:49

UC makes up 14.5% of my income. I don’t feel bullied by the threads, but I (not so much anymore) marvel at the ignorance, naivety and lack of critical thinking some people have.

It also helps me to make sense of the rubbish our politicians and broadcasters spew. I always wondered if they actually believed anyone buys into the bullshit they peddle, then come here or elsewhere and see they actually have an audience.

If I feel like it, I’ll call out some of the bullshit. If not, I move along, but then I’ve never minded much about what people think.

You are right that some are downright nasty though, OP.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 19:48

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 19:46

It’s not what I think, it’s the truth, whether you want to believe it or keep being willfully ignorant it doesn’t change that fact 🤣

Whatever makes you happy! We could go back on forth on this one all night I think 😂

User2460177 · 03/05/2024 19:48

I haven’t seen anything hateful towards disabled people on any of the threads. If you see that op, you should report it.

on the thread where people nor on benefits were talking about their difficulties, there was a lot of hate towards them although no one was saying anything unreasonable. It’s important to have compassion for others