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Been refused any annual leave this year.

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HolidayNotAvailable · 03/05/2024 14:12

§Name changed as I don’t want my name to be associated as I know some people who work for the same company are on here.

I am entitled to 25 days annual leave, which increases every year after two years.

If you don’t take all your annual leave you can carry over 35 hours but if you don’t take the rest then you lose it.

Things are made more complicated by the fact that people are allowed to buy additional annual leave, and this means that a lot of people have up to 35 days.

The upshot of this is that there isn’t enough quota in the calendar to allow all annual leave requests.

Our annual leave system is digital, we book annual leave and receive a message to say it is either declined or accepted.

And the annual leave is based on how many people are available in the department not the team.

Most people end up booking all their annual leave at the beginning of the year, including their extra two weeks which most people have bought.

Which means that if you haven’t booked any annual leave for the next year by the end of December when the annual leave is released on to the system you pretty much don’t stand a chance.

I didn’t book as soon as the leave was released not least because I didn’t have any specific plans, but even when I started to try a couple of days in all my requests were declined.

To date I have attempted to book several weeks in every month of the year, and apart from one week in December, and one day which I know I will get over Christmas because those are booked separately, every one of my requests has been declined.

So this means that by the end of the year I am going to have about four weeks annual leave left, and I can only carry over one week.
I am certain that this is made worse by the fact that people are able to buy extra leave and that realistically we don’t have enough quota in the department to accommodate existing annual leave as wel as essentially several months worth when you take into account all that has been bought.

Some people have 6/7 weeks booked in, and I can’t even get one.

I’m sure there’s no way I can get the time off, so I’ve resigned myself to not taking any annual leave this year apart from that one week in December.

But would it be reasonable to approach my employer and request that, given I’ve been declined any leave, they buy it back off me? I don’t know what else to do.

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mrsdineen2 · 06/05/2024 10:46

Laidbackguy · 04/05/2024 18:25

What fantastic career advice 😂

An employer who can't afford to give minimum annual leave it's legally obliged to is not an employer you're going to build a career with anyway.

stephfennell · 06/05/2024 08:50

In my country, this would be illegal. They can't deny your leave and then take it away from you. Are you part of a union? This should be escalated to a formal complaint with HR at the very least.

drusth · 05/05/2024 19:42

OP, why are you so resigned and accepting of this? You should be angry! They are taking advantage. Is it a mainly female workforce?

Marieb19 · 05/05/2024 19:39

Not only are you not being unreasonable but I'm sure your employer is acting illegally. Go to Citizen Advice and get a legal opinion before you approach your boss.

DisabledDemon · 05/05/2024 17:41

Sounds like the moment for the strategic flu. Get yourself sorted with some wine and nibbles and hunker down to bingewatch all those programmes you've never had time for. And feel no guilt!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 15:23

Laidbackguy · 05/05/2024 12:45

However you frame it, you're putting a target on your back trying to blackmail them like this.

I don't think you understand what blackmail is.

ExpatAl · 05/05/2024 14:04

This is a nuts system. You are entitled to your leave. Go to your HR.

Desperada68 · 05/05/2024 12:46

I'm watching with interest as this may be me this year. I've already discreetly alerted HR to the situation and I'm hoping it will get resolved. And while I'm not HR's biggest fan, in this I know they will back the team to the hilt.

Laidbackguy · 05/05/2024 12:45

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/05/2024 18:55

Any employer which isn't allowing the OP to take a holiday has not got a single leg to stand on.

However you frame it, you're putting a target on your back trying to blackmail them like this.

saveforthat · 05/05/2024 12:06

Just to be a bit pedantic, employers are not required to give you an employment contract. They must provide written terms and conditions of employment which is often in the form of a contract. I'm pretty sure all the banks issue a contract though.

Livingtothefull · 05/05/2024 11:48

It is OK for an employer to put some restrictions on annual leave, eg during busy business periods; but not to make it impossible to take it at all. They are failing in their duty of care towards you here.

Really, HR should be all over this and ensuring it is sorted out. If they are not then they are a rubbish HR team...not uncommon when the employer is also rubbish.

Is there a recognised union at your workplace and are you a member? Regardless, you should join a union; I think everyone should anyway.

Make sure you keep records of all your attempts to book annual leave, as well as requests for your manager to resolve it. You can raise a formal grievance if attempts to resolve informally fail. Just be aware that, although employees are not supposed to suffer any detriment through raising a legitimate grievance, in practice (and with poor employers) they frequently do.

So longer term I would probably look for a new job. I would be wary of trying to progress your career at this company as they evidently don't give a shit about doing the right thing by their employees.

Isinglass20 · 05/05/2024 11:10

What does it say about your leave entitlement in your employment contract which by law is legally binding on you and your employer and means they have to give it and you have to take it.
if employer not allow time off then they are liable for any injury including physical and mental health you may suffer.
HR knows this and they are trying it on. This is a legitimate grievance under firms complaints policy and if they don’t have complaints policy then they don’t have a leg to stand on.
Join a Union you’re going to need it in this job.

ThatsIllegal · 05/05/2024 02:49

HolidayNotAvailable · 03/05/2024 14:23

My line manager is sympathetic but her hands are tied.

We are beholden to a particular department who allow or don’t allow requests. They even set people’s schedules and can tell us we’re not allowed to have meetings if we’re busy. Everyone hates them. It’s the sort of department you wouldn’t want to work because you wouldn’t want people to know you worked there 😂

Lolz at my username created just for this post 😂
I’m fairly sure that whilst they can dictate when you take your leave they can’t deny your statutory leave entitlement. A quick google found this from https://landaulaw.co.uk/holidays/;
“Following a ruling by the European Court of Justice towards the end of 2017, your paid holiday entitlement (up to 20 days which is the EU minimum) is not lost- even though the new holiday year starts. Therefore your outstanding paid holiday entitlement can bank up for many years and would be a payment your employer would need to make is still owed when your employment ended. The rationale for this is that you have been prevented from exercising your basic EU rights to minimum paid holiday, and it is actually irrelevant if you have actually asked for the annual leave or not.”

so it might be worth putting something in writing to your manager that if you aren’t able to take your statutory entitlement then should you ever leave the company they will be paying you what you’ve lost for each year, not just what they’ve allowed you to carry over. I’m sure you’ll soon get a response from them or HR 😂

Holidays and your rights- employment solicitors- Landau Law

What are your rights to take holiday at work, and for holiday pay? We are specialist employment law solicitors in the UK. 020 7100 5256

https://landaulaw.co.uk/holidays/

Mamanyt · 04/05/2024 23:36

Dunno about UK, but in the USA, this would be illegal. I'm sure there are some sort of laws about it there, I've seen "mandatory 20 days," so that might be it. Check with HR, or whatever the equivalent of a Wage and Hour Board is there.

Middleagedspreadisreal · 04/05/2024 22:47

That's appalling. Are you in a Union?

RecklessGoddess · 04/05/2024 21:06

HolidayNotAvailable · 03/05/2024 14:12

§Name changed as I don’t want my name to be associated as I know some people who work for the same company are on here.

I am entitled to 25 days annual leave, which increases every year after two years.

If you don’t take all your annual leave you can carry over 35 hours but if you don’t take the rest then you lose it.

Things are made more complicated by the fact that people are allowed to buy additional annual leave, and this means that a lot of people have up to 35 days.

The upshot of this is that there isn’t enough quota in the calendar to allow all annual leave requests.

Our annual leave system is digital, we book annual leave and receive a message to say it is either declined or accepted.

And the annual leave is based on how many people are available in the department not the team.

Most people end up booking all their annual leave at the beginning of the year, including their extra two weeks which most people have bought.

Which means that if you haven’t booked any annual leave for the next year by the end of December when the annual leave is released on to the system you pretty much don’t stand a chance.

I didn’t book as soon as the leave was released not least because I didn’t have any specific plans, but even when I started to try a couple of days in all my requests were declined.

To date I have attempted to book several weeks in every month of the year, and apart from one week in December, and one day which I know I will get over Christmas because those are booked separately, every one of my requests has been declined.

So this means that by the end of the year I am going to have about four weeks annual leave left, and I can only carry over one week.
I am certain that this is made worse by the fact that people are able to buy extra leave and that realistically we don’t have enough quota in the department to accommodate existing annual leave as wel as essentially several months worth when you take into account all that has been bought.

Some people have 6/7 weeks booked in, and I can’t even get one.

I’m sure there’s no way I can get the time off, so I’ve resigned myself to not taking any annual leave this year apart from that one week in December.

But would it be reasonable to approach my employer and request that, given I’ve been declined any leave, they buy it back off me? I don’t know what else to do.

Just found this on the UK government holiday entitlement SECTION of the government website...

Almost all people classed as workers are legally entitled to 5.6 weeks' paid holiday a year (known as statutory leave entitlement or annual leave). This includes: agency workers. workers with 'irregular hours' (where the number of hours they work in a pay period often or always changes)

CantFindMyMarbles · 04/05/2024 19:38

You’re being unreasonable.
Speak to HR and make a complaint. You’re entitled to your annual leave. Their poor management of time off isn’t your responsibility

Havinganamechange · 04/05/2024 19:30

Clearly the current system your employer is operating doesn’t work. Have a conversation and ask them how you are supposed to get your leave in as the current approach leans everything you have requested bar what you have mentioned has been declined.

user1485851222 · 04/05/2024 19:01

It's a stupid system, you shouldn't be able to purchase additional leave, if others can't use they allocated. Most people would give up booking and go off sick and with this system I wouldn't blame them & I'm a HR Manager.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/05/2024 18:55

Laidbackguy · 04/05/2024 18:41

Any employers going to interpret that as blackmail.

Any employer which isn't allowing the OP to take a holiday has not got a single leg to stand on.

Jane1727 · 04/05/2024 18:52

Legally they have to allow you the statutory minimum. Speak to your line manager or HR. They can dictate when you take it. They have to give you double the amount of time as the days they are asking you to take.
you need to follow this up as you are entitled to this.

OldPerson · 04/05/2024 18:49

Go see your HR department or manager.

Your number of days leave is part of your contract.

But as grown up, it's also a healthy idea to discuss with your manager/HR the practice of annual leave taking priority over "bought" leave, or no "bought" leave being requested or used in the first 3 months of the company year.

Laidbackguy · 04/05/2024 18:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/05/2024 18:39

It's perfectly legitimate. Anyone would be burnt out if they're denied holiday.

Any employers going to interpret that as blackmail.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/05/2024 18:39

Laidbackguy · 04/05/2024 18:25

What fantastic career advice 😂

It's perfectly legitimate. Anyone would be burnt out if they're denied holiday.

Laidbackguy · 04/05/2024 18:25

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/05/2024 18:13

The other thing the OP could do is inform her manager that if she isn't able to take a decent block of annual leave so she can go on holiday, she'll get her GP to sign her off sick with stress on the grounds that she's completely burnt out, and then they'll have to find a way of covering the time at much shorter notice than they would if they actually allowed her to book the leave she's legally entitled to.

What fantastic career advice 😂

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