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To be surprised and shocked that PIP is rewarded without official diagnosis?

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Borntrippy · 03/05/2024 14:06

Thanks to all the recent threads on the DLA/PIP controversy I’m now aware that you don’t need an official diagnosis for conditions such as anxiety, ADHD etc to receive PIP. Although you apparently have to show other evidence in your claim is anyone else surprised by this information?

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OneRingToRuleThemAll · 03/05/2024 14:10

Why all the hate for PIP claimants? Some conditions are never diagnosed. The money isn't given freely, one must evidence, with medical documentation and assessment that they are unable to care for themselves across a range of factors. The evidence holds more weight than the final diagnosis (or lack of).

For most it’s not hate but just genuine surprise that there are so many claiming state benefits for disorders as opposed to disabilities and that self-diagnosis is technically permitted when applying for said benefits. I don’t think anyone seriously begrudges people with genuine disabilities getting the help they deserve but rather are concerned with the potential for abuse. I personally know of people who abuse the system yet I thought they at least had diagnosis from Drs. I also know people who were clearly in need of help who had it refused which is an indication that something is amiss.

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StormingNorman · 03/05/2024 14:16

No. PIP isn’t awarded for a disability. It’s awarded for what you cannot do. Two people with the same diagnosis would be assessed differently depending on they are affected.

MostlyGhostly · 03/05/2024 14:15

Everyone I know who has claimed PIP has needed evidence from medical professionals and has had to fight like gladiator to get it

JennieTheZebra · 03/05/2024 14:14

I’m a MH nurse. It’s practically impossible for someone to receive PIP for a MH condition without being under the care of a psychiatrist and/or (usually and) on extremely high doses of medication and with an extensive medical history. It’s not that “you don’t need an official diagnosis”, it’s that MH conditions can sometimes be hard to define. For example, I’m currently working in an inpatient facility looking after, amongst others, a young man with a provisional diagnosis of treatment resistant schizophrenia. However that diagnosis doesn’t quite fit and so other investigations are now taking place. His PIP claim was completed under a provisional diagnosis of “psychosis” which doesn’t really mean anything on its own, but I’m sure that you can see that he still meets the eligibility criteria for disability benefits. There are many examples of individuals like this who meet the criteria for PIP but still do not have/only have a provisional diagnosis.

Fraggamama · 03/05/2024 14:12

You're right you don't need an official diagnosis because it's based on the person needing additional help with everyday tasks.
But it's pretty difficult to get PIP without providing evidence from HCP involved in your care on how your condition affects you. So most people who's application is successful will already be involved with health services and either have a diagnosis or be undergoing tests towards a diagnosis

Runnerinthenight · 03/05/2024 14:12

I have official diagnoses and they still wouldn't give it to me.

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 14:12

ArcticOwl · 03/05/2024 14:10

just another person trying to get people to join them in sticking the boot into the disabled.

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Course it is. 'Surprised' my PIP receiving arse.

ArcticOwl · 03/05/2024 14:10

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 14:09

Why. What are you getting from starting yet another thread about benefits.

just another person trying to get people to join them in sticking the boot into the disabled.

FloofyBird · 03/05/2024 14:10

You best not read the equality act then 😂

OneRingToRuleThemAll · 03/05/2024 14:10

Why all the hate for PIP claimants? Some conditions are never diagnosed. The money isn't given freely, one must evidence, with medical documentation and assessment that they are unable to care for themselves across a range of factors. The evidence holds more weight than the final diagnosis (or lack of).

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 14:09

Why. What are you getting from starting yet another thread about benefits.

ArcticOwl · 03/05/2024 14:08

No,

And quite frankly you're ignorant to be shocked by it, and sailing very close to ablism.

PIP is nothing to do with diagnosis, its to do with how whatever is going on affects your daily life, so as long as you have evidence that what is wrong is impacting on your ability to function day to day, the official diagnosis is neither here nor there