To be surprised and shocked that PIP is rewarded without official diagnosis?

There's a lot on MN who are hateful of disabled, sick and the poor and anyone claiming benefits.

They rage without a clue what they're raging about.

People look down at those with less and rage that the disabled and poor have so much..
the government like it that way...
If people stopped concerning themselves with poorer people, they might look up at the people in power that are keeping everyone poorer.

😂I was trying to find a polite way of saying "you are absolutely 100% Tory".

@Borntrippy
What exactly are you shocked about? Some people have profound disabilities without unifying diagnosis. Are you so ignorant that you are shocked by that too? Seriously, do you have nothing better to do than bash people that receive benefits?

Oh fuck off and get educated!

There are those that identify as "labour voters" while putting the "X" next to "Conservative". Much as lots of middle age men identify with being Daniel Craig.

My DP is under the falls clinic and other services. That meant an assessment of needs, mainly for rails, walking stick etc. He had to show how he got in and out of the shower. In his case he had a heart attack and was in hospital, so had their care plan. It would be unusual to not have some input from services and be awarded it. As in a pp my DP didn't have a diagnosis thanks to waiting times, but failed a occupational health test in work. Re Autism, my DD went to a special needs school, a lot of her peers are in the category that any half decent person wouldn't resent them getting benefits, but they've been kicked off and put through appeals etc. Some never got there benefit rewarded and live in extreme poverty, jobs that they could do, no longer exsist.

My son can't speak at all and has very limited understanding of the world around him is that disabled enough for you?
His autism isnt mild.

You may be a Labour voter, but it's a strange kind of socialism that sticks the boot into disabled people.

Sometimes it's turned down with official diagnosis of a lifelong, progressive condition.
I know, it happened to me.

FGS.

You cannot claim PIP merely by saying 'I've got X'.

You have to give evidence of X, of how it affects you, what you're doing about it etc etc.

I do not have an official dx of Ehlers Danlos from the appropriate specialist. I do however have four different GP's, an NHS phsyio, a private osteo, and a series of cardiologists who all agree I have the classic symptoms and that chasing a DX of it will not alter treatment or outcome, and that focusing on the things that are likely to kill me is significantly more important.

I have evidence of how it affects me, evidence of the symptoms, endless evidence of the medication and therapies used to limit the damage/stop me carking it. Why would that NOT be enough?

In this instance, it is right that PIP can be awarded without a dx, and also, PIP may NOT be awarded WITH a dx, if there is no evidence that the condition actually affects day to day life. That really is how it must work.

"Where I think it’s more of a grey area is ASD, ADHD, Anxiety etc although from what people are saying these milder disorders are unlikely to have enough evidence to pass a claim."

You have no fucking idea.
Who do you think you are to decide that a condition is "mild" and has no significant impact on a person's daily life?
Autism, ADHD and anxiety can't all be lumped together - they are three separate conditions (although they might coexist) and there is a huge spectrum in terms of how someone might be affected by each one.
Have some respect for neurodivergent people and people with mental health issues, and that starts with accepting that you have NO IDEA how their conditions affect them.
FFS.

Not a stranger.
Know very well.
However I don't hold it against them (and it's really not one of those goady situations people quote on here) and I don't bring it up with them.
There's no point me posting about it because people get like this.
Just, there's no point getting at me. wrong person to direct any anger to.

If you have an invisible disability that prevents you from bathing there’s likely to be evidence of that, too. If you’re so depressed you can’t motivate yourself to wash, for example, you’re likely to be in touch with the cmht.

Not really my son is 14 he has no physical disabilities ,hes severely autistic, has severe learning disabilities, he needs full assistance with personal care as cognitively he's around 2/3 he will happily stand under the shower but won't wash himself, he can dress himself of a fashion but if i left it up to him he would have his clothes on back to front and inside out ,shoes on the wrong feet etc .
He currently gets High rate care and High rate mobility and I don't anticipate that changing when he transfers ro PIP

STOP THE BENEFITS BASHING.

Ok, you have to be taking the piss now. Milder disorders…

I call BS here.

How do you know? Do you move into their home for a couple of weeks and assess them against the qualification criteria? I'd love to know how total strangers can look at someone and assess them as not disabled. It happened to me, over a parking space rather than benefits, but I hadn't even got out of the frigging car and they were berating me.

Are you kidding??! I could show you plenty of children with ASD who will likely never live independently due to their severe needs.

I mean, I have a physical disability that affects my mobility, so they extrapolated from the report that said I can't walk properly to believe me on the bathing.
If it's due to mental illness, then it would presumably be a report from a mental health professional detailing self care problems. If it's due to autism, your diagnostic report or the report from carers might detail your sensory issues around water.
But also, accessing the services to get this documented is difficult, hence why a lot of people can't provide evidence and don't get awarded.
ETA: how hard it is to prove is why so many people get turned down for PIP when they desperately need it, e.g. to pay a carer to help and prompt them to bathe or clean their teeth. you almost got the point, and then veered off at the last minute.

I’ll bite.

You don’t need a diagnosis for pip. No, I’m not surprised because I work on pip appeals and also receive pip.

Diagnosis is irrelevant to pip eligibility. Someone with a diagnosis will still need evidence that their condition impacts their daily living, and someone without a diagnosis will need exactly that evidence too.

It's a shame the MNHQ message doesn't leave the PPs name.

I’m surprised you’re not surprised that even with an official diagnosis, many claimants are denied PIP. I could surprise you with a few more things too, but I’m bored now 🙄.