To be surprised and shocked that PIP is rewarded without official diagnosis?

YABVU
You clearly know nothing about PIP, but feel the need to start a thread about it that is little more than a dog whistle for all the benefit bashers and ableism.

I wont bother trying to explain it to you, as so many other posters already have so eloquently done, along with sharing their own very private and personal disabilities and stories.

For about the the 50th time this week…..PIP is NOT an out of work benefit.

PIP is paid for the extra costs of disability, working or not.🙄

Course you are...🤣

I don't usually quote but this is worth quoting. Absolutely bang on.

All these smug idiots wanging on about their hard earned tax have NO clue what is around the next corner.

again, you have no idea.

As i said, my 17yo DS has ASD/ADHD/Dyspraxia, were you to sit in our house and listen to him talk to me about something interesting, you'd probably consider his conversation somewhat normal, he can laugh, talk about intelligent things, joke with me, and be a typical teenager.. however...

He doesn't talk to strangers, he goes mute. He can't prep his own food, he can't be left unsupervised outside the house because noise, crowds, unfamiliar places trigger meltdowns. he needs help to bath, to dress, to put his shoes on (can't tie laces)
He has to be reminded to eat, to take his ADHD meds, to go to the bathroom, he doesn't sleep, his room is a sensory haven of music and lights. He rarely leaves the house unless its for school/college (Special needs education)

This is not 'milder' autism just because he is verbal, it affects EVERY aspect of his daily life and he will NEVER be independent.
'milder' is how it impacts the people around him who interact with him, it isn't anything to do with how it impacts him, which is profoundly.

You do understand that people who consider Autism to be a "mild" disorder are typically the same people who think ED can be cured by just eating more, OCD can be cured by just not washing your hands so much, BPD doesn't really exist, Diabetes is caused by laziness and Arthritis is aches and pains? Strange how you consider the illnesses and disabilities which have affected you and your family to be serious and the ones affecting other people and their families to be mild.

For what it's worth my child is Autistic and had more than enough evidence to qualify for top rate DLA. The evidence was secured because of years and years and years of medical appointments, meetings with school, meetings with other professionals. The DLA is curently used to fund his many therapies and will be used in the future so that I can secure life long care for him.

HTH.

I worked for the DWP, I then did benefits advocacy, and I am disabled (physically).

I have never heard of a DLA/PIP/AA award without medical evidence.

Is this yet another disability wind up thread?🙄

It's not that you cannot bathe, what you have to evidence, and they do accept explanation, is how much help you need so you CAN bathe.

My DS (asd/adhd/dyspraxia) needs supervision while in the shower. he doesn't bath because he is terrified of water deeper than a few inches, thinks he'll drown. So he showers, but he has to be supervised, needs me on hand to help him in/out of the shower (in the bath, so has to step over the side) because he has awful balance, because of how he is about water, if his face gets wet, he panics, so i need to be there to hand him a towel, he forgets which is hot and cold, so i have to explain/remind when he adjusts the temp.
We have accessible bottles, his own shelf so he knows what is his stuff, grips so he can hold them...

When they ask for 'evidence' on those forms, its pages and pages of explaining why you can't do stuff, how your disability impacts your ability to do it, and what help you require from things or people... and that is for EVERY little thing. On the form i have to go into detail how each of this 3 conditions affect him during bathing/showering, the overall affect, and how i help him in each case.

It's disgusting here, I don't know why I keep reading the threads but i am pulled to them...amazed I suppose that there is still this level of hatred being poured upon a section of society and we are meant to sit back and take it as "the disableds" because we get free shit from Penny and Frank's hard earned tax money.....they went to university you know and have 3 'normal' children.

Penny hasn't had a devastating stroke yet....imagine they can happen to high flyers too, even those who are in their early 40s.
And then Frank had a breakdown because his beautiful wife wasn't the same woman. Pity as they looked down on him after that in the law firm.
Turned out DS1 wasn't just a wee bit highly strung and had ADHD which made his teen years hell
DD1 broke her leg really badly on a bouncy castle and it had to be amputated above the knee
DS2 was grand until he was 27 and he ended up having a seizure from nowhere and now has uncontrolled epilepsy.

But right now "Penny" tell me how much of a scumbag layabout I am.

* All of the above are true just luckily not the same unfortunate family

I got PIP before a diagnosis due to many many multiple hospital admissions, letters from consultants in many departments. I was finally diagnosed after 32 years (it's progressive so I wasn't always as disabled) with a rare disease 2 years ago but have been on benefits for longer.

I do have aids to make things possible ie a bath hoist but unfortunately this just gives you more points on your form as it proves how little you can do without help, not wow we've fixed the problem so off you fuck you're all better now you benefit scum.

It's repulsive on MN and it's still allowed by HQ

You should be ashamed of yourself. This is an absolutely abhorrent comment.

Give it a go then you won't get anywhere 🙄

You know what. I hope some of the cretins on this thread bashing, actually one day need to claim DLA or PIP and they get turned down. Again and again. I really fucking do

Fucking wow.

Well if you need a diagnosis, I'd be fucked. I can't get a proper diagnosis and have been told (parents first noticed problems at 5 months I'm now 35) it may never happen. But my needs are just as valid as those that have one.

Oh and even if you do have a diagnosis then don't take it seriously. I was asked what one of mine was. She then decided it wasn't that bad. But why else would I have got a diagnosis? (It's not one of those where you can test for something and get something different - it's based on how you present, history, etc)

I speak from personal experience when I say I don't think people realise how anybody could go from perfectly able-bodied one day, to extensively disabled the next.

Friend at schools Dad used to sometimes take the company takings into the bank. One day walked into a bank raid and had their skull caved in for their trouble by the thug guarding the door.

Never worked again. That was a whole families life shot to pieces.

Not quite sure what some folk here would have prescribed for someone whose sight was taken, never had a minute free of pain since and underwent a dramatic personality change ? Mints perhaps ?

Goady cunt

I speak from personal experience when I say I don't think people realise how anybody could go from perfectly able-bodied one day, to extensively disabled the next. We are all one stroke, one accident, one fall, away from it and to sit starting threads like these encouraging people to gleefully post their vitriol, is sickening, genuinely sickening.

It’s absolutely sickening, and definitely gets worse year on year (or day by day at the moment!). I’m fed up of being told I should stay at home or expecting access to stuff like toilets is ‘entitled’ for example. Its across the board too, not just aibu- ‘feminist’ threads are terrible for it.

I have been banging on for years about it, and getting worse.

Not too bright are you, OP? The reason diagnoses is not essential is 1) diagnoses are sometimes difficult to obtain and 2) conditions affect everyone differently, so two people could have ADHD (for example) but one would be entitled to PIP and the other might not, based on specific circumstances, severity etc, so a diagnosis saying ‘This person has X disability’ is of little use.

I’m royally sick to death of these bloody threads.

Quite.

I have to say I am disgusted by these threads. The contempt for disabled people is something to behold.

No. It’s about how if affects your life not what you’re diagnosed with.

Sadly it happens. The disabled are viewed as worthless by people like the op based on the idea that ‘they don’t contribute’, just like the idle rich.

They view ‘contribution’ purely as the ability to work physically for the so called ‘community’.

Ive also been told on here by people calling themselves socialists that disabled people are exploiting workers if they need carers for undesirable tasks like personal care. Disabled people should be willing to do without any care rather than subjugate others with their “disgusting” needs.

Sadly ablism isn’t restricted to the right wing.

Trying to stir up as much hate and misinformation possible before an election is called.