To be completely shocked about someone I used to know

And this! At this point, I strongly believe it's the left that is turning people towards the right!

100% this! Politically, I tend to hover around the centre but I hands down have found those more right-leaning to be more kind, considerate, tolerant and open-minded than those on the left.

Yup, I'd definitely avoid this woman OP. Sounds like she already has enough funny, warm and witty friends around her.

Not really. As a similar example, I believe the Labour party have pledged to halve VWAG if elected, which I think is a great target, I am very sceptical that they'll achieve it, but if they could convince they could get close to that it might make me more likely to vote for them.

Good grief. Can you actually hear yourself?

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Your ad hominem attacks are soooooo predictable sweetie pie. Educating oneself can be onerous but oh so worth it. Give it a try!

All this idiotic back and forth “You’re thick”, “You’re a Nazi”, “You’re a conspiracy theorist” crap gets us nowhere does it? If you’ve got a real argument please don’t be shy. Tell me why your political ideas are so great and then I’ll take a turn and let’s see how that goes.

Yes. I’m pointing out your typical conspiracy theorist behaviour. I am quite aware you’re the kind of person who will struggle to comprehend the written word, so don’t worry about it.

I agree with blossom, her posts her spectacularly mediocre as years of posts confirm.

Yes, really. Read my comment again. I make no mention of facism. My comment was addressing the general dismissal of a non-British national's input on politics as being clueless. If you got any other impression then you are mistaken. And no one owes you an answer. If you've asked it and haven't been given one, learn ot let it go, as I have with this pointless discussion.

So you mean they know the party is talking bollocks but want to vote for it anyway?

Maybe they are supporting the focus on that area while realising the policy is an overambitious target?

you will find there are groups within Labour who never learn and are a gift to other parties

those that believe they are morally superior because they vote Labour (it’s been admitted on here) and have alienated many core Labour voters and those on the left of the party that have done the same their views are only worth discussions

my friend who isn’t English pointed out that the left in the UK seem intolerant of listening to other peoples views. It’s not new just it’s amplified by social media

thankfully there is the moderate Labour supporter too who don’t scream that every Tory is scum or feel that peoples opinions on certain topics, immigration being the most hotly debated is wrong if immigration and the impact on society and their lives is felt as being more negative than positive

they don’t wish to listen to peoples everyday experiences

I didn't say 'thickos' and would not use such a term. I said 'people who don't understand how things actually work'. There are many of those. I do understand roughly how UK institutions work. I do not understand other things, this does not make me a thicko.

For example, a policy such as 'have zero waiting lists in the NHS in two years' can only be considered possible you have to have very limited understanding of how a health service operates.

So either someone is supporting a policy they know to be impossible, which I would say is irrational, or they think it is possible, which is misguided because it is not possible, or they are not voting for the policies at all but for another reason, in which case the policies themselves are not relevant.

I’m realistic about my intellect - and some other people’s.

Not really.

You came on to tell me that I was wrong to say that that poster knows nothing about British politics.

Their main premise appears to be that we are heading towards fascism. Albeit they won't answer the question of which mainstream UK party is fascist aligned.

Do you agree or was I right that they know notihing about British politics?

At least you are honest about your superiority complex.

Absolutely this.

Where do you live exactly? Why does this interest you? How does it impact you?

I live in England. This interests me because it directly impacts my family, children and I. I have lived internationally too.

Why don’t we start with the basics.

I work in the courts. I see a shocking number of people that are indeed immigrants. Not exclusively as I said.

No, I choose the old adage of not arguing with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. You on the other hand still want to engage, so you must think I have something of substance to add after all, despite your previous comment. What you think, whether I choose to avoid or not, whatever in your head makes sense and makes you feel better, go for it.

The trafficking issue is huge and going up each year I can’t see much more reason and credibility in Labour’s ‘smash the gangs’ as an option. It’s pie in the sky against what they are facing.

Reform probably want to look at laws I haven’t checked but assume so, which even if you don’t want that, would do more

To add my intention is not to vote for Reform but on that issue alone credibility is not there for the Labour approach

You sound intimidated by the questions and have chosen avoidance instead. That is a matter for you. Politics are shaped by people not strategy and forecasting, at least in this country. I am very proud of the democratic values thar are still upheld in this country. I am glad the people have a voice.

How many immigrants are gang members.and dealers, versus how many indigenous people? Have you got any evidence that it is 'many', and more than those who were born here? I haven't seen that.

It's ok to state that different people are different, obviously. But PP wasn't doing that. She referred to 'these type of people who are in gangs and live in council houses and who are lower standard' (paraphrased as too lazy to trawl back for the quote). She wasn't recognising difference, but attributing less value to groups of people because they are immigrants rather than indigenous. That's not ok.

Have you looked at Reform’s policies? You haven’t, have you? Truth doesn’t have limits.

The fact that you do not think that politics itself is in a large part intellectual study show me that you are not worth engaging with. You are conflating two issues, when there is a clear distinction between politics as an intellectual exercise and the practical consequences of policies.

You can be surprised all you want about why I may give it "headspace". Again, I don't think based on your previous comment, you have the capacity to understand. Also, given that allegedly, I don't have anything of substance to add according to you, you continue to engage. You can waste your time with another pithy, in your opinion comment if you want, but I don't intend to waste anymore of my time with you.