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Its a fence one .

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pavillion1 · 03/05/2024 08:00

We are having our garden landscaped the fence between our neighbours and ours was falling apart so even though it is actually neighbours fence we let them know that we are willing to replace . They said fine but can we make sure its like for like we said yes no problem.

I admit i didn't specify to our landscaper the fence had to be exactly the same i just said same height and we have chosen to replace the wooden post with concrete.
This hasnt come cheap . Upshot is the neighbours have gone mad about the new fence and demanded they at least get the better side of the fence which we have agreed to but im now feeling abit hard done by as yes ok its not exactly the same fence panel but it is a. stronger panel with concrete foundations .

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fieldsofbutterflies · 08/05/2024 11:14

Some of these comments are unbelievable.

By unbelievable do you mean factual? 😂

Whether you think the new fence is nicer, more attractive, stronger etc. is totally irrelevant to the situation.

You can't just destroy someone's property and replace it with something completely different 🤷‍♀️

Blondebrunette1 · 08/05/2024 11:06

Northernladdette · 08/05/2024 07:53

“Make their garden look dreadful”
oh, silly me, the neighbours are sooo fussy and had such pristine previous fencing. I wonder what planet you’re on?
Some of these comments are unbelievable. Most new fencing installed (including my own) is vertical slats with concrete posts. Far superior (and more expensive) than cheap horizontal panels with flimsy wooden posts that will fall over in a puff of wind. Things have moved on since the 80s 😩😩

@Northernladdette I'm on planet earth, no matter what you think looks or is practically better, you are entitled to your opinion but it doesn't have to be the owners. One new side that has concrete posts (not liked by many) and the old English garden style the otherside would not match -it's a fact. In my humble opinion mismatched fences would look dreadful. Regardless of our opinions it doesn't matter if it's made of solid gold, if they don't like gold they aren't obliged to suck it up, on my planet that's just manners & consideration.

pavillion1 · 08/05/2024 09:30

OP should have put the fence up on her side if she didn’t like their existing fence.

Ain't that the truth

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AGlinnerOfHope · 08/05/2024 09:28

Northernladdette · 08/05/2024 07:53

“Make their garden look dreadful”
oh, silly me, the neighbours are sooo fussy and had such pristine previous fencing. I wonder what planet you’re on?
Some of these comments are unbelievable. Most new fencing installed (including my own) is vertical slats with concrete posts. Far superior (and more expensive) than cheap horizontal panels with flimsy wooden posts that will fall over in a puff of wind. Things have moved on since the 80s 😩😩

You obviously like efficiency. Some of us prefer aesthetics and in their own garden, they get to choose. They would not have given permission for OP to remove their fence if they’d known what replacement she was choosing.

The timber fence put up at my new build 26 years ago is still going strong. Never stained or painted because that spoils the wood. It’s aged to a graceful silver, as it’s designed to do. Extremely windy plot as well- we couldn’t have a parasol up as it carried the table away with it. Vertical slats in that case, with tiny gaps for the wind to pass through.

The hideous concrete posts are not to everyone’s taste. OP should have put the fence up on her side if she didn’t like their existing fence.

focacciamuffin · 08/05/2024 09:22

Years ago it was courtesy that you gave your neighbour the good side. In law this ins’t the case at all 🙄

Years ago, people were happy with low fences so it wasn’t such an issue.

Northernladdette · 08/05/2024 08:02

So many people thinking you “own” a boundary. No one owns a boundary, you have one that you are responsible for.
Years ago it was courtesy that you gave your neighbour the good side. In law this ins’t the case at all 🙄

Blondebrunette1 · 08/05/2024 07:56

pavillion1 · 08/05/2024 07:31

Clearly that wasn't the case here or you'd have said their otherside didn't match

No again you're wrong their opposite side is a hedge with a mesh fence onto fields.

Ok that's fair enough, not as inconsiderate as I thought but still not what you agreed. If I was neighbour I'd be happy about it and I'd not request the nice side but they are entitled to as you didn't do as they asked.

Northernladdette · 08/05/2024 07:53

Blondebrunette1 · 07/05/2024 21:59

@Northernladdette but it'll make their garden look dreadful if their otherside matches the old one, which it likely does. Whether it's a better fence or not, it's not in keeping with their garden

“Make their garden look dreadful”
oh, silly me, the neighbours are sooo fussy and had such pristine previous fencing. I wonder what planet you’re on?
Some of these comments are unbelievable. Most new fencing installed (including my own) is vertical slats with concrete posts. Far superior (and more expensive) than cheap horizontal panels with flimsy wooden posts that will fall over in a puff of wind. Things have moved on since the 80s 😩😩

Takeaways · 08/05/2024 07:51

pavillion1 · 08/05/2024 07:34

The fence that our builder has bought is actually in keeping with the panels that run along the back . They just dont like it .

You should follow through with what you agreed. I bet they never agree to any favours you ask of them in future.

The wood part is nice. Concrete is ugly.

pavillion1 · 08/05/2024 07:34

The fence that our builder has bought is actually in keeping with the panels that run along the back . They just dont like it .

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pavillion1 · 08/05/2024 07:31

Clearly that wasn't the case here or you'd have said their otherside didn't match

No again you're wrong their opposite side is a hedge with a mesh fence onto fields.

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Blondebrunette1 · 08/05/2024 07:05

pavillion1 · 07/05/2024 22:15

@Northernladdette but it'll make their garden look dreadful if their otherside matches the old one, which it likely does. Whether it's a better fence or not, it's not in keeping with their garden

No im sorry im not having that . It will not make their garden look dreadful. i would bet that more the half the country has mix match fences as everyone has a side that they do the up keep on . Unless you live in new builds it's probably very likely that fence panels do vary .

@pavillion1 Clearly that wasn't the case here or you'd have said their otherside didn't match before we took it down. When our neighbour put a new one in, we did the same the other side because it looked awful. Just because lots of other people have mismatched fences, they only do because of you. Sorry but that's the truth. I personally would be happy to follow suit and buy a new one the other side but if they can't or don't want to prioritise that out of their own budget then of course they will be annoyed.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 07/05/2024 23:52

godmum56 · 07/05/2024 19:30

there is no rule.

On your boundary you have the structural side. Which means you can maintain it easily.
So for vertical panels there will be horizontal supports, the support side is yours. On OPs image the new fence in the pic is the non structural side for example.

pinklepea · 07/05/2024 23:47

@BusyMummy001 I agree. It's their fence. It could look a million times better or could have saved them hundreds of pounds but they could tear it down next year if you piss them off because it's not your fence!

shenandoahvalley · 07/05/2024 23:46

You’re being extremely blasé about unilaterally destroying someone’s property, replacing it with something of your choosing and then complaining they should be grateful they get the ugly side of whatever you’ve chosen!

You’re completely in the wrong here. By rights, you should take down whatever you’ve destroyed and replace it with exactly what was there before. Put your fence of your choosing in front of it, if you don’t like look of the back of theirs.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 07/05/2024 23:46

Apart from the panels being different I would also be annoyed at the concrete posts if I’d been told like for like. .

I think you need to replace everything as you originally agreed ‘like for like’

However
I wouldn’t have permitted someone to replace a fence I own on my boundary anyway,
As an aside I don’t think OP you can know whether your neighbours think the new panels in a now mismatched garden of panels is better, most people like things to match.

BusyMummy001 · 07/05/2024 23:35

pavillion1 · 03/05/2024 08:37

because they are still getting a brand new fence .

It’s their fence - ie they own it, it is not just a random boundary marker. You need permission and you need to stick to the ‘like for like’ that you discussed - ie you should not have put concrete posts without their express permission, as these are a more permanent stricture and do not match what they already have, and you absolutely should have got a horizontal style that matched their existing fence panels along that boundary. What you’ve done is no different than spray painting their car a different colour and then saying that it looks better, so why are they complaining?

They are legally within their rights to insist you remove the fence and replace it. If I were you I’d get your fencer to replace the panels with matching panels and apologise for using concrete posts/baseboards and hope that they don’t push it by getting a legal enforcement order for you to redo it. (And difficult neighbours will.)

pavillion1 · 07/05/2024 22:15

@Northernladdette but it'll make their garden look dreadful if their otherside matches the old one, which it likely does. Whether it's a better fence or not, it's not in keeping with their garden

No im sorry im not having that . It will not make their garden look dreadful. i would bet that more the half the country has mix match fences as everyone has a side that they do the up keep on . Unless you live in new builds it's probably very likely that fence panels do vary .

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Blondebrunette1 · 07/05/2024 21:59

Northernladdette · 07/05/2024 19:29

They’ve actually given them a better fence than the original one 😩

@Northernladdette but it'll make their garden look dreadful if their otherside matches the old one, which it likely does. Whether it's a better fence or not, it's not in keeping with their garden

Blondebrunette1 · 07/05/2024 21:54

pavillion1 · 03/05/2024 08:33

This is it

I'd be grateful of the new fence and agree it is nicer than the old (not a fan of concrete posts myself though) BUT the issue is it'll make their garden look really mismatched if their other side is like their old fence and it'll force them to replace it with your preference if they want it to match. You shouldn't feel hard done by, you've taken a huge liberty here, you need to get out of your head that you've done them a favour because you think it's an upgrade. @pavillion1 how would you feel if your neighbour the otherside replaced your other fence with a horizontal one?

LannieDuck · 07/05/2024 20:41

Northernladdette · 07/05/2024 19:29

They’ve actually given them a better fence than the original one 😩

But that's not what they wanted. We might not understand why, but they were clear what they wanted and the OP agreed. Then did something different.

pavillion1 · 07/05/2024 20:03

Well Definitely a lot to take away from this. Everyone is civil and nobody is going to destroy the new fence . We will not be replacing it again so it will have to fall on to them when the time comes .
I really do wish i had made absolutely clear to our workman that they needed to change the fence to a near on replica but we didnt even realise until the first 2 panels had gone up and by that point the neighbour was annoyed.
Not much more to add now just didnt want you all to think id done a runner .

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GerminateMyParsnips · 07/05/2024 19:41

If it was their fence, haven't you essentially just given them a brand new fence that they now own and can do what they like with? Grin

I think I'd be trying hard to smooth things over to try and avoid them tearing up their shiny new fence and replacing it with something that suits them better.

fieldsofbutterflies · 07/05/2024 19:31

Northernladdette · 07/05/2024 19:29

They’ve actually given them a better fence than the original one 😩

That really doesn't matter, though. It wasn't their fence to take down and replace to begin with.

You can't just destroy someone's property and expect them to be happy with a totally random replacement that they never agreed to.

godmum56 · 07/05/2024 19:30

m0llyr0se · 07/05/2024 19:29

The 'rule' is that on a boundary that is yours you get the 'good side' so they are well within their rights to expect the 'good side'

there is no rule.