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Teacher bought an ex students only fans?

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ShyPearlMoose · 02/05/2024 23:59

My friend has an x rated members website and has just told me that our old science teacher from secondary school has bought it! The same teacher that there were always dodgy rumours about him being a creep.

Is this worth mentioning to the school or is that over dramatic? It's really weird but she's 22 now and hasn't been at the school for 4 years.
Thoughts?

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Twokittycats · 03/05/2024 10:26

They’re both grim tbh.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 03/05/2024 10:24

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 10:22

The strip club analogy is only relevant if he pays for a private dance - that makes it equivalent as it's not like he's only looked at her OF page, he's a paying subscriber.

If a teacher paid for a private lap dance from a 22 year old whom he'd taught four years previously? I'd think he was a safeguarding risk. Just like I do here.

And honestly, what are the chances of him accidentally happening upon a former pupil's OF, out of all the OF pages available..? It could happen. But anyone who has had safeguarding training knows that if in doubt, you report. And his intentions here are definitely doubtful!

I agree. It is definitely better to report than find out that somebody should have been reported.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 03/05/2024 10:23

marshmallowfinder · 03/05/2024 09:39

If she's that bothered, she wouldn't supply nude pictures/videos of herself all over the internet.

Maybe she isn’t “bothered” but worried that this man may pose a threat to vulnerable people. Such as current and former pupils.

She didn’t lose the right to care about children’s and women’s safety when she became a sex worker. She didn’t automatically loose the ability to feel empathy for potential victims either.
Or in other words: She’s still human!

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 10:22

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 03/05/2024 10:17

I generally agree. Grooming is certainly a concern.

but as PP said: I would wonder whether he actually went looking for her or simply found her (edit: and if he recognised her…)
Would you finde her OF if you went looking for her online with her first and last name? Wouldn’t she use some sort of pseudonym?

Or as PP said: what if he walked into a strip club and a stripper who happened to be one of his former students recognised him?

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The strip club analogy is only relevant if he pays for a private dance - that makes it equivalent as it's not like he's only looked at her OF page, he's a paying subscriber.

If a teacher paid for a private lap dance from a 22 year old whom he'd taught four years previously? I'd think he was a safeguarding risk. Just like I do here.

And honestly, what are the chances of him accidentally happening upon a former pupil's OF, out of all the OF pages available..? It could happen. But anyone who has had safeguarding training knows that if in doubt, you report. And his intentions here are definitely doubtful!

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 03/05/2024 10:17

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 05:56

He has done something wrong, very wrong. Teachers have safeguarding responsibilities and one of them is not to seek out ex-pupils online. It's a really important one in the age of social media - imagine the opportunity for predators otherwise to have access to their former students immediately after they leave. Imagine your sixteen year old being followed online (obviously not on OnlyFans!) by a male teacher as soon as her GCSEs are finished - just a 'friendly chat', all the tricks groomers use to manipulate and it leads to exploitation. There have to be policies in place to prevent this. There is a power imbalance and there is a duty of care. This man isn't even disguising his sexual intent. Only four years have elapsed. He needs to be reported - he is in breach of teaching standards and safeguarding responsibilities.

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I generally agree. Grooming is certainly a concern.

but as PP said: I would wonder whether he actually went looking for her or simply found her (edit: and if he recognised her…)
Would you finde her OF if you went looking for her online with her first and last name? Wouldn’t she use some sort of pseudonym?

Or as PP said: what if he walked into a strip club and a stripper who happened to be one of his former students recognised him?

Tigertigertigertiger · 03/05/2024 10:02

It's gross , but what she's doing is just as bad

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 09:57

In terms of evidence, I don't want to post the policies of the schools I worked in, for confidentiality reasons. I can suggest scrolling down to the 'befriending pupils on social media' section on this headteacher's advice page https://www.headteacher-update.com/content/best-practice/social-media-teachers-and-schools-how-to-avoid-the-pitfalls/ It says that policies do depend on individual schools, but that social media contact with former pupils is 'controversial' and steps may be taken in regard to romantic relationships developing between teachers and students.

This man may be breaching his own school's policy or he may not. In that case I would report and let the school decide. It is certainly not the case that this behaviour is considered fine in all schools, so I don't know how anyone can come on this thread and say it's absolutely not a problem.

Social media, teachers and schools: How to avoid the pitfalls - Headteacher Update

Planned changes to safeguarding law could see schools conducting social media checks on prospective teachers. Legal expert Sarah Linden considers the common pitfalls of social media use for teachers…

https://www.headteacher-update.com/content/best-practice/social-media-teachers-and-schools-how-to-avoid-the-pitfalls

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 09:50

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 09:45

How many years and can you evidence this? It’s been five years. I cannot for a moment see how this is an issue, but I’m happy to be corrected, but you will need to evidence that a teacher cannot subscribe to someone’s only fans five years after they left school

I was replying to your assertion that the teacher who propositioned a 16 year old former pupil was doing nothing wrong. She had left the school, but it would still be forbidden for him to proposition her. She remained 'out of bounds' - in the schools I worked in, this would be for five years at least.

In terms of the OP, she has stated it's been four years not five.

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 09:45

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 09:37

You're very wrong about this; all schools have safeguarding policies that forbid teachers from social contact with ex pupils for years after they leave.

I was a teacher most of my adult life; if I had ever discovered that any male colleague was masturbating over footage of a former pupil that he'd taught four years previously, I would consider that staff member to be a very significant risk to the students in his care. It would be appalling and the safeguarding lead in any school would be extremely concerned.

Anyway, I said I'd take a break from the thread and I should!

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How many years and can you evidence this? It’s been five years. I cannot for a moment see how this is an issue, but I’m happy to be corrected, but you will need to evidence that a teacher cannot subscribe to someone’s only fans five years after they left school

Caerulea · 03/05/2024 09:45

Ew. Big fat ew & definitely confirmation of what you suspected at school. There's added ew that he looked up/has been following your friend for the last 4 years. Big fat fucking EW!

However...there's just nothing to report here & GDPR means it would probably be illegal to anyway. If I knew of girls still at the school I might be tempted to encourage the 'Mr X Is creepy af' rumour though, that doesn't need to die out.

marshmallowfinder · 03/05/2024 09:39

If she's that bothered, she wouldn't supply nude pictures/videos of herself all over the internet.

scoobysnaxx · 03/05/2024 09:38

HampdenRadius · 03/05/2024 01:03

While this is definitely distasteful behaviour, I’m not sure why you’re going to report it to the school? He’s an adult, she’s an adult, they’re no longer pupil and teacher, this is going on outside work,
is all legal, and presumably has no impact on his work. He’s a teacher, not a monk.

Also, is your friend supposed to give out the personal details of people who subscribe, who presumably provide them in confidence?

Absolutely this.

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 09:37

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 09:30

They are only out of bounds when you teach them, not years after.

You're very wrong about this; all schools have safeguarding policies that forbid teachers from social contact with ex pupils for years after they leave.

I was a teacher most of my adult life; if I had ever discovered that any male colleague was masturbating over footage of a former pupil that he'd taught four years previously, I would consider that staff member to be a very significant risk to the students in his care. It would be appalling and the safeguarding lead in any school would be extremely concerned.

Anyway, I said I'd take a break from the thread and I should!

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 09:30

gettingbackonit23 · 03/05/2024 09:27

They may not have done at the time and I’ve heard similar stories from late 90s/early 00s when I was at school but I think they would now. Anyone who has a fling with a person who they very recently taught is not a good person imo.

My sister told me about when she had left school (not at 18 but 16, as she’d gone to a different 6th form) and one of the teachers approached her in a nightclub (she was there underage) and asked her out, saying “it’s legal now because I’m not your teacher anymore”. Really sick and disturbing that these men feel the need to prey on young girls that were entrusted to their care. But presumably nobody their own age would want them.

I work at a uni and until it’s been clamped down on, male tutors often dated young female undergrads, sometimes with quite damaging consequences. We need to get the message across that anyone you teach is out of bounds.

They are only out of bounds when you teach them, not years after.

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 09:29

BobbyBiscuits · 03/05/2024 09:22

Are teachers allowed to buy only fans or porn, if it's by or featuring an ex student?
I'd say it might be frowned upon. But does it breach contract, teaching regs? I'm honestly not sure. If he still works there I guess you could tell the school. It certainly seems a bit seedy. Teachers perving on their ex pupils..
I'd say it's up to her though. She might rather keep him as a client? It has potential for blackmail and stuff though maybe? Do you know if he's married? Gawd, it could end in tears.

I can’t see how that would be policed and the woman is an adult, providing this service of her own free will. I can’t see how as he used to teach her he isn’t allowed to pay for that service.

yes it’s ick, but it’s a private transaction.

gettingbackonit23 · 03/05/2024 09:27

littlekittyhoward · 03/05/2024 08:37

It’s unlikely the school would be interested at all. I had a summer fling with one of my old teachers when I was 19 (looking back as an adult, what was I thinking?!) As I’ve gotten older I think about it a lot and particularly think about what was going on at school and whether it constituted grooming but I’ve looked into it and there’s no point reporting. No one would care, sadly.

They may not have done at the time and I’ve heard similar stories from late 90s/early 00s when I was at school but I think they would now. Anyone who has a fling with a person who they very recently taught is not a good person imo.

My sister told me about when she had left school (not at 18 but 16, as she’d gone to a different 6th form) and one of the teachers approached her in a nightclub (she was there underage) and asked her out, saying “it’s legal now because I’m not your teacher anymore”. Really sick and disturbing that these men feel the need to prey on young girls that were entrusted to their care. But presumably nobody their own age would want them.

I work at a uni and until it’s been clamped down on, male tutors often dated young female undergrads, sometimes with quite damaging consequences. We need to get the message across that anyone you teach is out of bounds.

BobbyBiscuits · 03/05/2024 09:22

Are teachers allowed to buy only fans or porn, if it's by or featuring an ex student?
I'd say it might be frowned upon. But does it breach contract, teaching regs? I'm honestly not sure. If he still works there I guess you could tell the school. It certainly seems a bit seedy. Teachers perving on their ex pupils..
I'd say it's up to her though. She might rather keep him as a client? It has potential for blackmail and stuff though maybe? Do you know if he's married? Gawd, it could end in tears.

supercalafragilisticexpealidocious · 03/05/2024 09:19

I'm sure she has many other grim subscribers with questionable morals. That's the problem with selling your body as a commodity on a public forum- you lose control over who sees you.

Itsabeautufulday · 03/05/2024 09:14

CHEESEY13 · 03/05/2024 08:51

Report. He's trying to find out how far he can go.....until it's too late for a victim?

Didn't Wayne Couzens - Sarah Everard's rapist murderer - begin by "flashing" and then escalated his behaviour to the most destructive level?

Report for what exactly?

She's an adult woman selling g herself online and he is a paying adult male.

She's broken the law by breaching of confidential agreements she signed up to by telling you who her customers are.

Or is 'she' actually you?

Luio · 03/05/2024 09:14

He sounds yucky and creepy but not necessarily aware of who she is. Quite a lot of teachers don’t even know their pupils when they are teaching them let alone many years on. Secondary teachers will have taught 1000s of pupils.

Sillyjane · 03/05/2024 09:13

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 09:01

Gosh, it's horrifying how many people don't understand safeguarding, grooming, escalation of predatory behaviour and warning signs, not to mention the low expectations of teachers (to state it mildly!) I have to take a break from this thread, it's wildly depressing.

Whatever are you on about. She has said, rumoured to be a creep. And subscribed to only fans of an ex student when she was 22. How in gods name is this grooming etc?

WhatIfHesWrittenMine · 03/05/2024 09:01

Gosh, it's horrifying how many people don't understand safeguarding, grooming, escalation of predatory behaviour and warning signs, not to mention the low expectations of teachers (to state it mildly!) I have to take a break from this thread, it's wildly depressing.

TobaccoFlower · 03/05/2024 09:00

Maybe he doesn't know he used to teach her.

CwmYoy · 03/05/2024 08:59

Legally neither has done anything wrong. Morally they are both vile.

pinkyredrose · 03/05/2024 08:57

Exactly what is there to report? An adult male viewing porn? Good luck with that one!