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To think that first marriages are mostly a disaster.

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IneffableCuriosity · 02/05/2024 10:38

Obviously not in every case.

Bear with me…

I have noticed a pattern emerging in friends of mine, colleagues, close friends, family members and old friends from uni who all seem to end up in terrible first marriages to deadbeat men(or women!) who do the bare minimum, partners who cheat, are physically or verbally abusive or partners who are generally mismatched and the relationship was doomed to fail.

The colleagues/friends who were originally in terrible relationships seem to go on to meet someone lovely who pulls their weight and the relationship is healthy, stable and loving. They are generally much older and more mature and have grown as people and learned from past mistakes.

I understand that this is not always the case. Some are lucky enough to have wonderful first marriages. Some can obviously go into yet another dreadful relationship after the first one.

AIBU in thinking it is common among (mainly women) to sleepwalk into a first marriage/long term relationship with DCs?

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stayathomer · 02/05/2024 12:04

Poppyg123
I would very much like to hear from any and all mums netters who ' were lucky enough to end up in wonderful first marriages'.
Eh me? And I know plenty of people happy out too! We’ve had crap, had to move in with dying parents, had a miscarriage, health scares, death of parents, obviously Covid (where we fought most because we had differing beliefs) etc etc but still have a laugh, fairly equal with workload but more since I went back ft to work. We love each other we laugh we argue sometimes, we hug a lot, he’s my better half and I’m his x
edited to add we have 4 kids and are married 18 years

Growlybear83 · 02/05/2024 12:01

I don't agree. I got married when I was 21, and most of my friends married at around the same age. With two exceptions, they are all still together, mostly after 35 years or more - 45 years in my case. The two couples who divorced remarried quite quickly and have been together since.

I think part of the problem is that people don't take marriage nearly seriously enough now and are far too quick to separate rather than working at their marriage. Like everyone else, I made vows to stay with my husband through thick and thin for the rest of our lives, stay faithful to him etc, and I would never have got married if I was going to leave at the first sign of trouble. I would have seen any sign of infidelity or violence by my husband as him breaking his vows and would have ended the marriage immediately, but other than that, we have always worked through any problems that we've had, as have most of our friends.

taxguru · 02/05/2024 11:58

Isn't it just a matter of maturity (or lack of), which generally causes some younger people to make poor decisions, based simply on lack of life experience?

Younger people are more like to make poor educational/career choices meaning they change careers, retrain, go to Uni as a mature student, etc., as they find that their first choice didn't suit them after all.

MaryFuckingFerguson · 02/05/2024 11:57

Definitely not my experience. I know barely anyone whose first marriage has failed. The vast, vast majority of our friends and family got it right first time.

Fluffywigg · 02/05/2024 11:57

mindutopia · 02/05/2024 10:45

I think this quite possibly has a lot to do with age at first marriage. A lot of my friends from school all married quite young (late teens/early 20s). They are, as far as I can think, all divorced now and many on marriage #2 or 3 now in early 40s.

But friends I met later in life (postgraduate programme/work/travelling) all of us didn't marry until more early to mid 30s. Generally speaking, they are all still (seemingly) happily married in their first marriages. Myself included.

I was briefly engaged when I was 20 and if I had gone on to marry that loser I would have been one of those with a bad first marriage too. Not to say that everyone who marries young is sealing their fate, but lots of us (myself included) didn't have the sense of self and maturity to have higher standards when we were younger. When you get older, you are more likely (but not always!) to know what's important to you and you are more confident setting healthy boundaries.

I agree with this.

How high school sweethearts couples are still together mid 30’s? Very few. Marrying someone you met at 17 imo is going to end in disaster and divorce.

KeepYourFingersOutOfMySoup · 02/05/2024 11:57

I've only known a couple of divorces in my wider circle, although yes they were both relatively young when married. One they just grew apart apparently, and the other the husband threw his lovely wife such a curve ball of the type that couldn't have been predicted and wasn't possible to move past (I'll say because I can though that I always knew he was a selfish prick). Most other people I know of are still married and there was a range of ages at marriage starting from early 20s.

youngones1 · 02/05/2024 11:55

I think a lot of women who marry in their 30s are quite desperate and will go for almost anyone with a ... consequently not always that compatible and marriages fail.

BodyKeepingScore · 02/05/2024 11:53

110APiccadilly · 02/05/2024 10:46

I'm pretty sure that, statistically, first marriages are more likely to last. Of course that doesn't mean they're happy (plenty of people around in unhappy but lasting marriages) but I would have thought it would imply they're more likely to be happy?

How can first marriages last "statistically"... surely if they lasted they'd be the only marriage, not the first marriage. This doesn't even make sense.

IneffableCuriosity · 02/05/2024 11:52

EveryKneeShallBow · 02/05/2024 11:50

I married at 19 and would still be married 40 years later if the bugger hadn’t died.

So sorry to hear that 😔

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IneffableCuriosity · 02/05/2024 11:52

bluetopazlove · 02/05/2024 11:37

Oh so glad to have 'found' this thread wedding anniversary today (only marriage) thirty odd years . We have had good times ! I couldn't imagine living with anyone else .

That’s wonderful, happy anniversary 🥂 Definitely not saying every single first marriage will be terrible. My parents have been married for over 50 years. It’s what I have noticed recently in my circle.

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EveryKneeShallBow · 02/05/2024 11:50

I married at 19 and would still be married 40 years later if the bugger hadn’t died.

IneffableCuriosity · 02/05/2024 11:48

Thanks for all your replies. These are all just my observations from friends, family and coworkers. Yes quite a few did marry young and seemed to learn from their mistakes the second time around. These are just observations and not based on statistics etc.

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Poppyg123 · 02/05/2024 11:46

I would very much like to hear from any and all mums netters who ' were lucky enough to end up in wonderful first marriages'.

IneffableCuriosity · 02/05/2024 11:46

stayathomer · 02/05/2024 11:34

Well of course their second marriage is happier if the first one didn’t work out!!!! I know a few people separated or divorced but more happily married with the normal ups and downs life bangs you over the head with (money, health etc)

Well, not necessarily! Nothing to say that a person would end up in another toxic relationship the second time around. However, from my observations, the second relationship seems more grounded, mature and grown up than the first.

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Starsandflowers · 02/05/2024 11:46

Maybe in the past... I know my mum certainly did!
But I don't think that's the norm now days. I only know two people my own age who've got divorced actually, because they married young. Everyone else I know that's married did so in their 30s and seem to be happy. I don't think there's as much pressure to get married now and certainly not in your twenties. So people I know who have married have done it after being together some time and have seriously considered it rather than doing it for the sake of it.
I married for the first time at 29 and I was 100% sure it was right. Still happily married 10 years later.
I definitely wouldn't have married if I'd had doubts. I didn't feel any pressure to marry nor did I ever think I would get married before I met my husband. It wasn't something I valued just for itself.. I only valued it when I actually met someone I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.

Devilsmommy · 02/05/2024 11:40

I was 35 when I got married, so is it destined to fail being the first or will it last because I've done it being more mature? 🤔

bluetopazlove · 02/05/2024 11:37

Oh so glad to have 'found' this thread wedding anniversary today (only marriage) thirty odd years . We have had good times ! I couldn't imagine living with anyone else .

Echobelly · 02/05/2024 11:37

I know some first marriages that were just 'starter marriages' that ended amicably before the stakes were very high. But a couple where they totally married the wrong person. And in one case, also married the wrong person second time unfortunately.

LifeofBrienne · 02/05/2024 11:34

I’m mid-40s and literally can’t think of anyone fitting this pattern. Most married late 20s or early 30s, still together and seemingly happy.
Exceptions - one couple married quite young, split up as not right for each other, both perfectly sensible and nice people. No kids when they split. One friend thought she was in a happy marriage until she found out about his cheating. Finally one guy who had a disastrous first marriage and I don’t think his second is much better. He has… issues. That’s it out of all my longstanding friends, although there are a few school mums I can think of who have split up but not remarried.

stayathomer · 02/05/2024 11:34

Well of course their second marriage is happier if the first one didn’t work out!!!! I know a few people separated or divorced but more happily married with the normal ups and downs life bangs you over the head with (money, health etc)

Schmusimausi73 · 02/05/2024 11:34

Got married at 25. Turned 50 last year, still happily on my first marriage 😂

steppemum · 02/05/2024 11:33

mindutopia · 02/05/2024 10:45

I think this quite possibly has a lot to do with age at first marriage. A lot of my friends from school all married quite young (late teens/early 20s). They are, as far as I can think, all divorced now and many on marriage #2 or 3 now in early 40s.

But friends I met later in life (postgraduate programme/work/travelling) all of us didn't marry until more early to mid 30s. Generally speaking, they are all still (seemingly) happily married in their first marriages. Myself included.

I was briefly engaged when I was 20 and if I had gone on to marry that loser I would have been one of those with a bad first marriage too. Not to say that everyone who marries young is sealing their fate, but lots of us (myself included) didn't have the sense of self and maturity to have higher standards when we were younger. When you get older, you are more likely (but not always!) to know what's important to you and you are more confident setting healthy boundaries.

this 100%

later marriages are usually more considered. You walk into it with eyes open, you are older, have seen shitty behaviour from other people and are less tolerant of it in a partner, so you have higher standards.
People I know who got married at 30 ish are all still together, whether first or second marriages.

I was also in a serious relationship at 21 and I am so glad it finished.
Met dh age 30 and we're still here 25 years later

wpalfhal · 02/05/2024 11:27

I actually don't know many people who have divorced. When I think of the weddings I attended in my 20s, colleagues of DH and I, our families, most people are still in the first marriages and for the most part seem happy from what I can see! I certainly am.

We're also quite unusual in that many of those people married young too, mid 20s on average, we were younger. We are mid 30s now. Perhaps we are still relatively young though, when I think back to my childhood, most divorces seemed to occur in the secondary school years and beyond.

Medschoolmum · 02/05/2024 11:24

Not really my experience, based on the people that I know. Do you know a lot of people who married very young, OP?

Seeline · 02/05/2024 11:22

I'm not sure how useful divorce stats are these days - given the declining marriage rate. There are no stats on how long people stay in a partnersship, and whether it is their first or 6th.

IME with my friends there have been very few divorces/breakups. Most of us are heading for 20-30 year marriages/partnerships. The one person who I know married quite young (21) has had 2 divorces and is on her third partner at just over 50.

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