AIBU to hope that able bodied people will support disabled people against the tory attack on PIP?

Who?

I've only ever seen very vulnerable people post with some awful stories. I can't see anyone being at risk. It's so very difficult to get they will undoubtedly be genuine.

Hopefully any shake up will encourage all those entitled that don't currently claim to come forward.

I’m so worried this is going to push my daughter into crisis. She has a few conditions and has autism.She has tried to take her own life several times and ping pongs between different services. She struggles to manage emotions and needs to learn to recognise when things are too much ie pull back. She is still waiting for the treatment she needs.What job is going to hire her? If she is pressured to not recognise when things are tough and pull back the consequences are a massive worry.If she loses her pip it will be a big part of her income. She is taking so long to get well, partly due to crap provision the past few years. It’s a nightmare.

Are you serious?

Disabled people face restrictions and costs that people without disabilities don't. It's not a choice.

I don't understand why people need this very obvious point explained.

You realise how difficult it is to qualify? How much evidence is needed? The people fraudulently claiming will be minute, and ultimately, you have to accept that in order to help those that deserve it, some will inevitably slip through, it’s going to happen.

There’s so many people who seem to think every Tom, Dick and Harry are fraudulently claiming and it’s just utter nonsense.

A return to means tested DLA linked with jobseeker benefit is likely

DLA has been abolished for adults and will not return.

It was never means tested.

DLA, like PIP, was not an income replacement benefit.

DLA, like PIP, was never related to employment status or ability to work.

If you are going to comment, at least educate yourself so you can make informed comments.

PIP is for the chopping block regardless of who wins later this year

Evidence,?

Do you enjoy trying to scare vulnerable people?

Labour will not abolish PIP. I will donate £100 quid to your favourite charity if it does.

What they may reform is out of work benefits (although sadly even their own shadow ministers get PIP and ESA confused).

This thread is a fucking disgrace.

I know, I’m talking about what I think it should be, not what it is. I think it should be means tested. There’s limited money and someone on £100k for example doesn’t need it. Anyway, it’s not for me to decide, looks like Labour will also be making changes to PIP and other disability benefits if they get in so something will be done.

Exactly.

My DD had to go to appeal as the decision was made on the assessment by the physio from the company hired by the DWP.

The medical information from two consultants, a specialist nurse, a physio who knows her well and an OT - all of whom wrote their reports based on “this is the condition, and this is the needs it leaves her with” (to the point the appeal panel read it in the morning of her appeal and awarded her without seeing her) was completely ignored by the decision maker.

I know. I've known for years. I screamed and shouted about it to start with. Found it very difficult coping with friends still voting Tory because I felt they were essentially voting to say I don't have the right to live. Got very depressed about the whole thing. I have since stopped paying attention to the news in order to preserve my sanity. When it comes to election time I'll vote according to my conscience, but in the meantime I can't do anything about it so I've tuned it all out.

This

I honestly think these assessments need to be scrapped. Anyone could say anything and most of them are telephone assessments . they just cause people stress, then they can't get their point over. It should be based on medical evidence .

This is still going on. Those assessments and people being stripped of benefits is still happening.

How would you decide who Is "totally incapacitated "?

So many people going on about getting people back to work - PIP isn’t an out of work benefit

That’s something that needs to change - whatever replaces pip (and it will have to be replaced in some capacity) there needs to be something that makes it sink in to people generally that it is not an out of work benefit.

PIP and ESA are two very different things with different purposes

It's a tricky one.

Just based on MN, so many people are not working due to feeling anxious. It's not sustainable given that our economy is not in net worth.

Everyone should be working unless absolutely incapacitated.
I might be harsh but we need to compete .

I say this as someone who has taken time off due to anxiety and bitterly regretted it.

That's my point. No idea. Just that it is unaffordable

You should be OK given your diagnosis but many on here need to prepare for what's coming as they are reliant of the benevolence of a broken state in economic decline.

Hoping a right wing Labour government will make it all go away is not advisable as their stated policy is to get people back to work.

IME of a family member receiving PIP, she is desperate to work for her own wellbeing, MH and to be a good role model for her dd. But she has now had her 3rd hospital admission this year (critical, with the last one needing resus and almost fatal), 5th sick note and her work are coming down hard on her. She is terrified of losing her job as thinks she is then unemployable, so on top of her disability she has the constant stress and humiliation of justifying and fighting to try to keep her job.

If (or when) she is medically discharged, what is she meant to do?

She wants to work, she financially needs to work, she “just wants to be normal like everyone else”. She would welcome government support to keep her in a job, but doubt that will happen.

What would you suggest ?

I'd like to see who would employ me, in the last 2 years I was working I had periods of 3 months & 2 x 6 months off sick, then I haven't worked for 14 years. I have Fibromyalgia, ME/CFS, Peripheral neuropathy, Arthritis, Endometriosis, Vitamin B12 deficiency, underactive thyroid, Autism, Anxiety, Depression & PTSD, I can't retain information, I'm in bed 18 hours a day, I'm housebound, I can't walk & use a wheelchair outside, I haven't driven for over 4 years, I'm on 12 different drugs, most days I don't even get dressed & only eat 1 meal a day. My sleep pattern is a mess, I sleep 5.00am to 1.00pm & then have to nap 4.30pm to 6.00pm.

It's hard to know what can be done by any party. The truth is there are just too many people that aren't economically active. We literally don't have the money to support them indefinitely.

Well maybe, hopefully, whatever replaces it will be fit for purpose, and not reliant on people having to go to tribunals etc, to get the right award. So much money is being wasted here, with this particular system.

It will be going forward as non means tested disability benefits are unsustainable regardless of who is in government.

Ever ! People just talk out of their rears sometimes they have no idea what they are talking about. Just pluck phrases and combatative words from the.air!