AIBU to hope that able bodied people will support disabled people against the tory attack on PIP?

Not sure what you mean. A secure job as in a job advertised, that’s permanent. Obviously there are no guarantees that someone can’t lose the job due to not performing well or redundancies, failing company etc, but generally speaking jobs advertised on sites such as indeed will state whether the role is permanent, and what qualifications or experience is required for the role.

WishIMite, that is the most contradictory post on here, send your pip award back if you don't need it!

So you could see a voucher scheme working for your Dsd needs. Good for you. What about people who need to have the heating on for the majority of the time, or have to run electrical equipment constantly? How are vouchers going to work for everybody that has needs, due to being disabled? It sounds completely unworkable, save for a few people. So just because you would be happy with that, you do not understand why anybody else should have an issue with that proposal. Typical.

Exactly. WFH became the norm for many office based jobs that may suit some with challenges because of lockdown. Now this has been a bone of contention and people are being mandated back into offices. I suspect part of this is due to areas that had businesses catering to commuters such as catering etc going into rapid decline, not to mention eating into public transport revenue.

And others like her?

Also aside form the mental illness she is currently struggling with chronic anxiety, medication side effects, ptsd, Auyism, adhd…

What job are you expecting her to do?

What jobs are you expecting all these people to do?When you have had mental illness your medical history makes it hugely difficult to get jobs. And what if like I’ve said in my daughters case it would be disastrous?

This.

I have a friend who uses a mobility scooter, and has to have a big car fitted with a winch so she can get it in and out, and hobble her way to the driver's seat.
But she also WFH, so I guess, according to some on MN, she didn't need her car.

Define secure to start with?

I honestly don’t see a lack of secure jobs. People keep saying how Brexit and the exit of foreign workers on the back of that have created a big void, where there’s a huge shortage of workers, and then seeing comments on here saying there’s absolutely not enough jobs. Which is it?

By far the most senseless part of PIP is the motability scheme imo. Being disabled in many cases, even though qualifying for the highest rate, doesn't mean you need a brand new (unadapted) car. It's a total unnecessary waste in lots of cases.

I beg your pardon, but that is such a ridiculous thing to say. Why on earth would it be a waste, if it could enable some people to access the outside world, that may be closed off to them, on the whole, otherwise? Have you struggled to walk a few meters yourself by any chance?

And that's part of the big problem. Lack of secure jobs across the board topped up by benefits even full time positions. The gig economy proliferates. Hard for many at the thin end of the wedge - a hundred times worse for those with disabilities.

They are. The government is saying anybody who gets pip for MH will get some generic crappy talk therapy ( which won’t treat my DD’s conditions) and must work. She can’t so she’ll have no money. Why can’t she have the treatments she needs and is waiting for and be able to focus on getting well? Forcing her into crappy jobs she won’t be able to sustain longer than a week and which will push her into crisis is just ridiculous.

Fireandflames, I have all these ailments and MAKE myself go to work.

Also many poorly young people are trying to get well enough to be able to study so they can work. My daughter isn’t well enough to study or work. She needs to focus on getting well so she can then study in order to build a future career. Forcing her into a job she can’t do will just make her more ill, push studying back so well paid work is pushed further away from her. I don’t get why there is a need to punish an ill young person who has gone to hell and back with the ptsd to prove it.

Then she’s probably got nothing to worry about. I don’t think anyone is saying here that those who genuinely can’t work or don’t genuinely need the money for reasonable costs shouldn’t get it.

I would say the jobs you’ve stated make up only a small proportion of advertised jobs. Obviously a number of jobs are going to ask for flexibility, like weekend working, shifts etc, but it’s not all that common to have 9 - 5 jobs these days, unless office/admin jobs.

Some vile responses here from people who clearly cannot open their minds enough to imagine how others actually have to live. Makes you realise why the Tory party actually still gets some votes. I wondered who could possibly still support them but I see they're on this thread.

Zero hour contracts. Jobs demanding flexibility that few, especially the disabled can accommodate. Insecure low paid positions. MLMs masquerading as "self employment opportunities" make up a sizeable proportion.

I'm surprised nobody's suggested Only Fans......

But the government can afford to be pissing money up the wall to pay their already rich donors? Can you not see where the blame lies here? It’s the government stoking hate towards minority groups so they can carry on ripping the country off. There is, or was, enough money, until they raided it and will keep doing so.

Should all disabled people just fuck off and stop being a drain on society, living on gruel and never having any kind of life because it’s a luxury while they live the high life?

My daughter can’t work and her pip doesn’t go on luxuries.

Well, PIP is truly Schroedingers benefit isn't it?

Apparently simultaneously extremely difficult to get, and being dished out like smarties to the undeserving (disabled) rich. Wonder how much of it is being off-shored and spent on designer handbags?

Honestly the attempts to justify its withdrawal are getting more ludicrous by the minute.

I agree with you.

Of course there are enough jobs for everyone. Go on job sites such as Indeed and there are pages of jobs ranging from unskilled to skilled.

In an ideal world everyone would have enough money for everything, including all luxuries. But we’re not in an ideal world. There isn’t enough money to cover everything, there’s not enough people working and there’s the col crisis. There are lots of people going without, services needing more funding, NHS and education overstretched. We cannot afford to be giving out benefits for luxuries at the moment. We cannot afford for this amount to be off work, or in part time work and claiming, and the number rising. Not without other services getting more stretched and being cut, or people who are already stretched paying higher taxes. It’s not jealousy, it’s just being realistic.