AIBU to hope that able bodied people will support disabled people against the tory attack on PIP?

You don’t just tick a box. We had to send letters from professionals, meeting minutes, prescription copies, diagnosis reports…
So letter from GaP saying person very depressed and anxious which is what will be in the notes because GPs don't write about their opinion but just what they are told. Prescribe medication for depression and anxiety which in itself doesn't mean much.

So no, I don't agree. PIP in this instance is much more based on anecdotal accounts.

Looking at the two threads already on here, I wouldn’t rely on able bodied supporting PIP or a thing else, sickness/disability related.😗

There is data to support my assertion on other threads.

If you haven't seen the hostility you must have been reading different threads.

@IClaudine

Thank you lovely x love and solidarity to you and everyone else struggling at the moment xxx I'm hanging in there just about lol x

I am just sick to death of people willfully ignoring how the quite frankly paltry amount of benefits that people have to fight for to survive when enduring terrible pain, limited mobility, chronic depression are under an attack that will leave the government with blood on its hands if they keep tinkering with it and using it as a political football. I will bang on about it, as much as I can, because I have no fucks left to give x

People need to know this is ideologically driven and that the costs of administration of the proposed changes, implementation of AI etc will far outstrip any possible savings. And no doubt all these new assessors and systems will be part of the funneling of cash into the hand of private companies via the rampant cronyism. It's a shitshow.

Difference being they’ll fix the nhs first so the support is in place prior to any changes. The Tory way seems to be to ruin the nhs, strip away pip, promise support and access to healthcare that won’t materialise

I think many people could work part time but that's not an option you either fit the criteria to work and must work full time or you don't work.
If you only work part time that will not make you enough to live on and the government will tell you to look for full time work.

So the person that "you know" might get PIP regardless of employment.

Numbers of actual claims for PIP have gone down since the last benefits revision. Data has been found to corroborate that
Except that's incorrect!
There were 4.7 million new claimants in 2022. 5.6 million new claimants in 2023. Increased every year since COVID.

The government are also wrongly claiming that pip is an out of work benefit

Pip is a also a working benefit I don't understand how you and others don't know that !

YABU we aren't that bothered or think the govenment is quite right to stop you scrounging bastards
YANBU this is disgusting ableism and we have your back

Your poll choices are a bit extreme but on balance I lean more to YABU. I wouldn't say all people with genuine needs are "scrounging bastards" but certainly most people aren't that bothered about entitlement to benefits being tightened up.

But the government are saying get people into work and they won't have MH problems requiring pip.

It doesn't work like that.

My ds goes to work. That doesn't mean he doesn't have significant needs for his disability. It just means he is able to do the job he does.

"Off pip means your disability has been cured. (If only it was that easy)"

No it just means you don't fit their criteria for it

This is what I was going to say but you got there first. I work full time despite final stage arthritis which hinders my mobility and causes immense pain and I only just make ends meet.
I do have sympathy for others but personally, I can't afford to pay more tax.

PIP isn't even an out of work benefit.

So I don't see how they can say get people off pip and into work.

Off pip means your disability has been cured. (If only it was that easy)

Into work means reasonable adjustments have been made to allow you to work.

My ds works and receives pip. He has a degenerative neurological disorder.

You don’t just tick a box. We had to send letters from professionals, meeting minutes, prescription copies, diagnosis reports….

This will be taken by many to be inflammatory but it isn't meant to be.

A long time ago I used to have a job that supported people with disabilities (mainly ASD and learning disabilities) in to work.

From what I have been told this is now impossible as why would a company (eg let's say a supermarket) take someone with a disability and need to make various reasonable adjustments when they can take a young, fit immigrant who will do the job instead?

This is not meant to be disparaging to either immigrants or disabled people, neither of whom this is at fault here.

But disabled people may need reasonable adjustments in work and companies just don't have the incentive to do so anymore as they have 'easier' labour on tap.

If companies had to make reasonable adjustments to fill roles and were incentivised to do so (which they used to be) it would be a lot easier for people to access work.

Having supported some pretty severely disabled people in to work in the past my belief is that most people can do some level of work (not all people and certainly not full time, and they still may need benefits as well). But the system needs to be there to support those people.

I think this is a little dramatic. I haven’t seen any hatred at all. Just because people agree with an overhaul of the current system, does not mean we hate disabled people. On the contrary, I noticed in the link to the consultation that they want to make it easier for people with life long conditions to claim. It’s preposterous to put someone with, for example, Downs’ Syndrome through that process every few years to see if their circumstances have changed.
There are a great many number of people for whom life is very hard in this country. Some in work, and some aren’t. Everyone has their own individual story. These threads are full of people’s stories and some of them are heartbreaking. I have no wish to see people like that suffer! I do still support an overhaul of the system though.

I wouldn't get your hopes up based on the awful comments today to the poster who has listed her UC amount that she gets because she rents and has 2 disabled children. I cannot believe some of the replies to that thread.

Claiming PIP is extremely hard and requires a very high bar to succeed, especially for mental health. Popping to your gp for some anti depressants would not cut it
The issue is that demonstrating mental needs relies much more on anecdotal accounts than physical health.

There is concern that there is a growing knowledge on what to say/do to tick the right boxes to 'evidence' one's needs. There are more and more specialised organisation that can offer 'expert' advice on how to fill the form to ensure the chances of getting the award of winning in tribunal. Some even offer to fill in the forms on behalf of the claimants.

Using the assessment appointment, which is time limited, to ascertain what is genuine and what is well rehearsed is growingly difficult.

It's like going for an interview and those who can afford to practice and even pay for the beat practicing tools to know how to best answer the questions more likely to get the job than those who just go in and talk about their experience and skills honestly.

38% of claims now being of a mental health nature needs serious consideration. So no, I won't systematically disagree with proposal for changes but will depends on what the changes entail.

for the hundreds time - pip has nothing to do with work/not work. it's not an out of work benefit. Why are people too thick to understand that? Some people on Pip work, some don't. It's not related. sigh

This is exactly what I meant in my post. People haven't got a clue what PIP is, but doesn't stop them having a pop with made up tales of scroungers.

I am absolutely sick of the hate towards disabled people that has infested MN since Monday. Sunak has emboldened a lot of people to express their ableism.

@MistressoftheDarkSide you have done sterling work combating the hate. Not sure I have the stomach for it now. I hope you are OK.

I know plenty who work and claim too because it's not an out of work benefit