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Humiliated by John Lewis staff

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FTMaz · 01/05/2024 21:53

Hi
okay so I know this will seem very trivial to some but it is playing on my mind because I think I am a very reasonable and polite person and feel I was humiliated for absolutely no reason.

so I bought a jumper from a John Lewis store (Sweaty Beaty brand). The jumper was in the sale for £65. I wore it once and washed it according to the instructions. I put it on yesterday and my Mum commented that it had faded, the jumper is beige but I noticed it had a big white patch where the colour had seemingly ran out of it on the front. As I know John Lewis is known for their customer service I decided I would take it to the store to see if they would offer an exchange, I still had the receipt showing it had been purchased recently.

I went to the womenswear till but the queue was massive (I had my 12 week old baby with me) so I went to a till near the shoes. The girl serving must have been about 17/18. I explained to her what had happened and said I wasn’t sure if I could swap it but thought it was worth an ask. The girl was very polite but said she needed to check with a colleague, fine not a problem. She returned with a colleague who didn’t even acknowledge me. At this point there was a now a queue at the till. They both turned away from me and girl number 2 started whispering and inspecting the jumper. This probably went on for about 10 minutes. Girl number 1 then turned back to me and said something to the effect of I’m really sorry but I need to check with a manager…I assumed girl 2 was a manager but again I said okay. She then called someone on the phone. I continued to wait and at this point my baby started to cry, girl number 1 obviously feeling uncomfortable called again and apologised, again fine as not her fault that baby is crying or that manager is taking a long time. So eventually the manager turns up and calls me ‘sweetheart’ okay a term of endearment but I am a 34 year old professional so odd of her to do. Anyway…she inspects the jumper and says she can’t see the white patch, I said to her I couldn’t either until I went into natural light and my Mum pointed it out. At this point I am starting to feel agitated and embarrassed as there is a queue, my baby is crying and I am basically being told I’m making things up so I say ‘don’t worry about it for the sake of £60 I’ll just have the jumper back,’ she then says to go with her outside the store to natural light to show her the patch…seriously? I reply no it’s fine I’m not dragging my baby outside I’ll just have the jumper back. Again she insists I go outside with her and I again say it’s fine I’ll have the jumper back. She then turns to girl number 1 and says ‘you’ll come with me outside to look won’t you’ so they both then walk off and leave me at the till with my now screaming baby. Sometime later they return with ANOTHER member of staff, so now 4 people have looked at this bloody jumper! The manager says they all agree there is nothing wrong with it. Now I am quite frankly pissed off and humiliated and say ‘ I told you I would take the jumper back but instead I have been standing here whilst 4 people inspect it, I didn’t demand a refund I simply asked if it was possible to do anything such as an exchange.’ She replies there’s nothing wrong with it. So I say (probably wrongly so but I’d had enough) ‘if you go on my account you will see how much money I spend in this store, do you seriously think I would make things up to get back £60?’ She replies again there is nothing wrong with it.

for context I worked in retail for years both before starting university, during and after (the irony is I actually also worked in that John Lewis 😂) I get that it can sometimes be shit and people are rude but I was honestly lovely and feel I was humiliated and spoken to like an idiot.

However I am also overly tired from the sleepless nights….so AIBU to wait to complain to the store?

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LittleBearPad · 01/05/2024 23:39

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:31

It’s shoddy customer service from a brand that prides themselves on their customer service. Leading a customer past the queue of people outside to prove themselves when she said she’d just have the top back!

Rubbish.

They were trying to help with a fault no one could see in the store including the OP.

Yummymummy2020 · 01/05/2024 23:36

I know customers can be nightmares but if it did fade (aside from the white patch issue on top of that ) you should be able to expect better after just one wash. I’m assuming you followed any instructions on it but as a fellow sweaty Betty fan I would have returned it too. You paid enough for it and I think sweaty Betty themselves would have accepted the return(but I know it’s the experience you had trouble with) I think they went on a bit silly to be honest, it sounds like they got the whole section to debate your jumper. I get the baby thing too, so stressful. I would definitely hold a grudge now and only shop on the sweaty Betty website. It was definitely embarrassing for you.

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:34

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 23:31

They wanted to see it in natural daylight, how is going outside disproportionate? It's actually quite necessary, really...

Because it is over a jumper and JL profit from their good customer service branding- you can’t have it both ways. It is not a court of law and the OP is not on trial and doesn’t have to prove anything, especially as she asked for it back but they ignored her.

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:31

LittleBearPad · 01/05/2024 23:28

how is it reasonable to take someone outside then stand out there

Outside!!

The inhumanity!

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It’s shoddy customer service from a brand that prides themselves on their customer service. Leading a customer past the queue of people outside to prove themselves when she said she’d just have the top back!

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 23:31

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:28

It’s ludicrous and completely disproportionate action on their part.

They wanted to see it in natural daylight, how is going outside disproportionate? It's actually quite necessary, really...

LittleBearPad · 01/05/2024 23:28

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 23:21

I’m actually perplexed how people don’t under the issue with this. Firstly no you don’t go outside you park underneath. Secondly how is it reasonable to take someone outside then stand out there whilst the jumper is further inspected THEN if they agree come back inside etc etc. it’s a strange suggestion in my opinion.

how is it reasonable to take someone outside then stand out there

Outside!!

The inhumanity!

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:28

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 23:26

Because outside is where the daylight is 😂. Haven't you grasped this yet?

It’s ludicrous and completely disproportionate action on their part.

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 23:26

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 23:21

I’m actually perplexed how people don’t under the issue with this. Firstly no you don’t go outside you park underneath. Secondly how is it reasonable to take someone outside then stand out there whilst the jumper is further inspected THEN if they agree come back inside etc etc. it’s a strange suggestion in my opinion.

Because outside is where the daylight is 😂. Haven't you grasped this yet?

PerfectTravelTote · 01/05/2024 23:25

Totally beside the point but I only ever bought one thing from Sweaty Betty (a jumper, as it happens) and the quality was not what I expected for the price. It washed very poorly.

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:25

Viviennemary · 01/05/2024 23:20

It wasn't their fault your baby cried. They offered to go outside and inspect the jumper in natural light as you said yourself the faded patch on the jumper couldn't be seen in the stores lighting. You declined. I think they behaved in a fair and reasonable manner. YABU.

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No, not their fault but they could possibly have some empathy for the situation, plus it is even worse to ask the OP to do this considering she has got a young crying baby and has waited for them to faff about already!

heartbroken22 · 01/05/2024 23:23

@FTMaz don't bother arguing with idiots on here. They have all the time in the world to irritate and annoy. Go and do something for yourself!

Motheroffourdragons · 01/05/2024 23:23

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heartbroken22 · 01/05/2024 23:22

Oh my goodness all the pole up their arses replies im so sorry.

So sorry for the negativity on here.

Yes you're right that was appalling customer service. Should have seen you had a baby and dealt with it swiftly! I'd complain to customer service (just so that they log it) and like someone else said contact the sweater brand. Hope you're okay x

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 23:21

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 23:18

Which you were happy enough to "drag" your baby into, in the first place?
If the baby was crying, a walk to the outside would surely have helped the situation, not hindered.

I’m actually perplexed how people don’t under the issue with this. Firstly no you don’t go outside you park underneath. Secondly how is it reasonable to take someone outside then stand out there whilst the jumper is further inspected THEN if they agree come back inside etc etc. it’s a strange suggestion in my opinion.

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CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 01/05/2024 23:20

Tbh I can’t decide if yabu, on one hand I think it’s a bit daft to expect them to exchange based on you saying there is damage when you know it isn’t clearly visible. On the other hand it seems a bit of an overreaction from them but, as a previous JL employee myself, I know that the some returners are a bit much, one tried to ‘return’ something that they didn’t even buy from JL just because JL also stock the brand.

Just complain and get your standard ‘go away’ free cake voucher (assuming that’s still what they do, it was what happened when I worked there).

Viviennemary · 01/05/2024 23:20

It wasn't their fault your baby cried. They offered to go outside and inspect the jumper in natural light as you said yourself the faded patch on the jumper couldn't be seen in the stores lighting. You declined. I think they behaved in a fair and reasonable manner. YABU.

StarlightLime · 01/05/2024 23:18

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 23:13

I will say this one more time THE STORE IS IN A SHOPPING CENTRE

Which you were happy enough to "drag" your baby into, in the first place?
If the baby was crying, a walk to the outside would surely have helped the situation, not hindered.

ssd · 01/05/2024 23:18

Yes she loves the discount in waitrose im sure its 20% there too

Motheroffourdragons · 01/05/2024 23:16

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LittleBearPad · 01/05/2024 23:15

Goodness you're a drama llama. They were trying to be helpful and you pulled the ‘do you know how much I spend’ card.
If it could only be seen in natural light then going outside was the logical thing to do.

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 23:13

justasking111 · 01/05/2024 23:06

I wondered that too.

I will say this one more time THE STORE IS IN A SHOPPING CENTRE

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ssd · 01/05/2024 23:13

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My friend says the big bonuses stopped many years ago. Shes been there 6 years i think and hasn't had bonus for a couple of years and it was a couple of hundred before that. I think she gets 20% staff discount, hardly huge and the stuff is expensive to start with.
She says people imagine the staff there get huge bonuses and great money but they certainly dont

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justasking111 · 01/05/2024 23:06

soupfiend · 01/05/2024 21:58

If Im honest I dont understand why you didnt go outside and show it to her

To say you werent going to go and 'drag your baby outside' didnt make any sense, you were presumably going to leave the store at some point werent you?

I wondered that too.

Goldenbear · 01/05/2024 23:05

FTMaz · 01/05/2024 22:44

As stated numerous times…the return of the jumper wasn’t that important to me. Even if it had resulted in a refund to exchange I still would have been left annoyed by the situation and how it was handled. Well done to you if your baby crying doesn’t cause you to feel even more stressed.

Baby’s/toddlers in this scenario usually do impact most people, I am very laid back in nature but when DD was a toddler she hated being in the pushchair waiting as she was normally wondering about with me- there was a time in Marks food hall I was in this massive queue for self service and a woman and her son breezed past all of us and cut in the queue so I was up next and my annoyance was definitely heightened by the fact that DD was upset, I asked her if she had not noticed the massive queue and she replied, “does it really matter?”, someone behind me said, “maybe not to you”, I asked her if she thought we were just standing here for pleasure, a till became available so that was the end of that but the whole queue was questioning her when I left! It didn’t really matter in the scheme of things. In contrast to now taking back a top of teenage DD’s to Urban Outfitters, Spanish Inquisition there as the labels had been taken off, I was also asked where this particular Branch on the receipt was as she had never heard of it-we had bought it on holiday, like the retail assistants lack of Geographical knowledge was my problem. I was confused as the assistant told me that this would be a matter for Mgt, ok not fussed but then asked me to confirm my card details and refunded me, she offered a patronising telling off before parting about in future I need to keep the labels on. I think if I’d had a baby I would have left by the store location comment:

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