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To forcibly ask why you pulled out?

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MyPeachLion · 01/05/2024 19:25

I am (was!) a cash buyer of a 900k property. We were due to exchange next week. And complete after 2 weeks. We went 30k above asking and 20k above another bidder. No other bidder was a cash buyer. We are about 10 weeks into the sale.

My solicitor informs me this afternoon that the seller pulled out with NO reason given.

Can I turn up to the seller's house and ask the seller face to face why they pulled out? AIBU?

The estage agent did not even bother to inform me, despite the seller telling them last weekend that he was cancelling.

No chain on the seller's end - they have a new build they have already moved into! Seller moved out of their property early last week. We know because we visited the house for kitchen measurements last week!

I rang the EA this morning to get dates so I can get carpet quotes for next week and the EA was on board! Not once did he mention that the seller pulled out.

I am pissed off for not knowing why he pulled out, and for the EA to not inform me of it, and then proceed to play me like a fool by humouring my requests for carpet tradesmen to enter next week.
Were they meant to enter through the cat flap?

Again, is it unreasonable to just face this time-wasting seller and ask them why?

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stichguru · 14/07/2024 21:45

You hadn't exchanged, so they can pull out. All if fine and why is NONE of your business.

CostelloJones · 14/07/2024 16:55

Well of course YABU. The fact you are a cash buyer with a large budget doesn’t negate the fact they are entitled to pull out, or that they are entitled to their privacy.

newmomaboutthreads · 14/07/2024 11:56

Genuinely thought this was a thread about a couple trying to conceive 🤣🤣🤣

Saschka · 13/05/2024 11:02

Thirstysue · 07/05/2024 17:26

WOWEEEE YOU MUST BE REALLY RICH?????

Or sold their house already. Definitely one of the two.

Saschka · 13/05/2024 11:00

NoThanksymm · 10/05/2024 14:31

I mean your estate agent should’ve told you immediately! You should be livid with them! That’s where a confrontation should be.

We’re probably in different countries, so I don’t understand why cash makes any significant difference. The seller gets all the funds from the bank regardless, just one less thing to go wrong on the buyer end?

Being a cash buyer means they aren’t dependent on a house sale which may fall through, or at risk of the mortgage company down-valuing the house and refusing to lend the full amount.

The amount of value a seller puts on this will obviously vary - if the seller has changed their mind about selling, obviously they don’t care if OP is a cash buyer or not as they don’t want to proceed either way.

If it is purely about asking price, it can be a false economy to go for a higher offer which is part of a long chain over a lower chain-free offer, as the sale may collapse. Obviously depends on how much lower - couple of percentage points fine, 5-10% difference and it may be worth taking the higher but riskier offer.

Bernardo1 · 13/05/2024 10:25

As others have said, and you now accept, it would be crazy to confront the sellers.

Your beef is with the E.A. they should have told you immediately they were informed, with whatever reason they were given. It is most likely an improved offer.
Don't forget agent is paid by the seller not buyer. When it comes down to it they'd rather lose a buyer than seller.

You could have reminded E.A. that you are cash buyer, able to proceed rapidly.
Quite conceivably, new mortgage buyer might at last minute drop their price to, or lower than yours. That's the risk seller faces.
So if you still want the house, best not annoy seller and E.A. if theres any chance they could come back to your offer 'on the table'.

NoThanksymm · 10/05/2024 14:31

I mean your estate agent should’ve told you immediately! You should be livid with them! That’s where a confrontation should be.

We’re probably in different countries, so I don’t understand why cash makes any significant difference. The seller gets all the funds from the bank regardless, just one less thing to go wrong on the buyer end?

Coffeeismyfriend1 · 09/05/2024 20:09

The sellers pulling out is a bit rubbish, whatever the reason but they are entitled to do so. I’d be annoyed but ultimately it’s their choice.

The EA not telling you when you’d contacted them to ask something and they acted like it was all going forward etc is infuriating.

LBFseBrom · 08/05/2024 18:40

Is your proposed purchase a houseboat, Justanothermum? ;-(

Justanothermum42 · 08/05/2024 17:12

I feel for you…. We are in a middle of buoying a house and hoping it goes through. To whomever told you to wait and not go and measure up - WRONG! we had our buyers come in to measure and we went to measure too. It is super common and not the reason your seller pulled out. I hope you find a better one!

stichguru · 07/05/2024 22:38

They have changed their minds. There's the explanation you need. No need to ask more.

L26 · 07/05/2024 19:37

you are massively unreasonable. Yes I see that it is incredibly frustrating for you. You are assuming that their reason is not good enough. What if they’ve had a sudden bereavement, what if they hate the new house they have and want to keep the house they still own, what if they have recently found out they have a significant illness. Things happen, circumstances change. Going and ‘facing them’ isn’t going to change things. Accept it and move on.

TheSilkLady · 07/05/2024 18:28

Thirstysue · 07/05/2024 17:26

WOWEEEE YOU MUST BE REALLY RICH?????

you must be so poor !!!

Op it could be for many reasons maybe they have decided to rent it to a family member.
Maybe they're divorcing ?

I am curious did you meet them last week when you went for get measured up for a kitchen ? did you offend them in any way ?(state of this will be glad to remove, Mention you hate dogs and they know their neighbour has 12 )

is it a name thing ? could it be a race/religion/ethnicity thing ?!?

I think you should speak to the EA but you can't go and ask them harassment.

Thirstysue · 07/05/2024 17:26

WOWEEEE YOU MUST BE REALLY RICH?????

SluggyMuggy · 07/05/2024 16:05

If no explanation is given it was probably a personal reason they do not want to share with a stranger. Things change.

Smallerthannormalpeople · 07/05/2024 13:52

Wow, this is nuts. You can’t rock up to their house and demand an explanation! Perhaps someone had passed away or one of them has developed a serious health issue - it’s none of your business. And what do you hope to achieve? You think you can bully them into changing their mind? Only an awful person would behave like this.

CommentNow · 07/05/2024 10:51

MyPeachLion · 01/05/2024 22:03

Thanks for your replies everyone.

Sorry, I was too busy choking on my own rage to see how unhinged baby reindeer 2.0 I sounded earlier.

I guess I became very emotionally invested over 10w and feel gutted out as a result.

I was being very unreasonable, and no, I will not contact the seller in any form.

FYI, I mentioned cash buyer because I wanted to nulify any theories about being gazumped by a cash buyer vs a mortgaged buyer, which would not apply in my specific case here.

And the 900k bit, I should have just left that out. I did not realise how often that will get referenced. Even if it was 200k, I would have felt the same rage.

Edited

I think that's a really considered update and whilst I stand by my opinion that you shouldn't be knocking on doors, I have a great deal of sympathy for you as you've been horribly let down and anyone would feel the same. I hope you find a new home soon 🏘💐

SerafinasGoose · 07/05/2024 09:34

If they've not given a word of explanation upfront then they're unlikely to offer one if issued with a demand for information. You don't gain people's cooperation by getting their backs up, OP.

You can 'forcibly' ask as much as you wish, but you can't force this vendor to do a thing. It would be a pure waste of negative energy.

Choose your battles.

Imisssleep2 · 07/05/2024 09:32

You can't do that, as frustrating as it may be that's the pain of buying and selling houses unfortunately. Assuming your in UK not Scotland, unfortunately there is nothing in place to stop anyone pulling out any time before exchange and why is their business and theirs alone, maybe they had a better offer or change in circumstances. But you can't go battering on the door to demand why, if someone done that to me I'd probably look into having them done for harassment to keep them from coming back again.

Josienpaul · 07/05/2024 07:15

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/05/2024 19:28

They don't owe you an explanation.

But I'm sure your massive wad of cash will get you something soon.

Jealous much!

LT1982 · 07/05/2024 06:54

MyPeachLion · 01/05/2024 22:03

Thanks for your replies everyone.

Sorry, I was too busy choking on my own rage to see how unhinged baby reindeer 2.0 I sounded earlier.

I guess I became very emotionally invested over 10w and feel gutted out as a result.

I was being very unreasonable, and no, I will not contact the seller in any form.

FYI, I mentioned cash buyer because I wanted to nulify any theories about being gazumped by a cash buyer vs a mortgaged buyer, which would not apply in my specific case here.

And the 900k bit, I should have just left that out. I did not realise how often that will get referenced. Even if it was 200k, I would have felt the same rage.

Edited

I work in conveyancing. As the usual reasons such as their purchase falling through or mortgage for purchase being pulled dont seem to apply (plus the fact it will have cost them a considerable amount of money to pull out) it sounds like their life circumstances have changed eg divorce/split up. Whilst morally you should be given a reason unfortunately they don't legally have yo if you've not yet exchanged.

I do think it's a crazy system in this country that both parties could potentially shell out thousands of pounds and the transaction is not legally binding for the vast majority of the time

LT1982 · 07/05/2024 06:48

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Eskimalita · 06/05/2024 23:15

I totally understand how you feel. If you approach calmly and politely you are doing nothing wrong in asking. It’s not illegal to knock on someone’s door.
I have quite a dislike for estate agents. I’ve met too many manipulative ones (and I say that when I have an auntie who is one and she’s lovely). I think you have the right to ask particularly because the EA has been so disrespectful of you. I’d approach the seller in this context and tell them how the EA messed you around.
you have NOThING to lose and just in case they’re selling to someone else you need to try every avenue open to you.

LindorDoubleChoc · 06/05/2024 21:03

OMG still going? The OP last posted 5 days ago and posted 3 times in total. It needs to die now.

BeckiBoBecki · 06/05/2024 20:56

MyPeachLion · 01/05/2024 22:03

Thanks for your replies everyone.

Sorry, I was too busy choking on my own rage to see how unhinged baby reindeer 2.0 I sounded earlier.

I guess I became very emotionally invested over 10w and feel gutted out as a result.

I was being very unreasonable, and no, I will not contact the seller in any form.

FYI, I mentioned cash buyer because I wanted to nulify any theories about being gazumped by a cash buyer vs a mortgaged buyer, which would not apply in my specific case here.

And the 900k bit, I should have just left that out. I did not realise how often that will get referenced. Even if it was 200k, I would have felt the same rage.

Edited

Ignore anyone thats complaing about you mentioning the price of the house, you are not in the wrong in that area and they are just jealous assholes that wish they had half that amount in cash to buy a house.

Hope you find your dream home soon.