To want to praise the police - London sword attack

And that’s all you can think of when you read about a woman’s hideous murder?

Not her suffering? or the evil of people who could do that? Or the stress suffered by those having to deal with the aftermath? Or even why the hell we have such feeble defences against these gangs?

Just that an attending officer shouldn’t have spoken about it. God almighty.

I thought the same when watching the news last night. Yes there are some arseholes in the police and sometimes they get it wrong but most police officers are good people trying to do a difficult and sometimes dangerous job.
I felt sorry for the officer who got pulled into controversy over the openly Jewish' comment. He was in a very high pressure situation at the time and was trying to keep people and deal with someone who was determined to provoke a problem.

Truly heroic IMO. They all deserve a medal. The police bashing in this country also has to stop, we are not America, most of our police force is full of people who want to protect the public, bad management, lack of funding and politics aside.

You’re a part of the problem if you think the police has a ‘few bad apples’. They have many terrible officers and enablers- racism, misogyny, sexual abuse, domestic violence, and murder - we would be stupid and complicit to take our eyes off them. And you can blame them for overshadowing the work of truly heroic officers who just want to protect us. Oh, and the bad ones are as bad as Americans, just without guns.
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Yesterday’s officers were truly heroic and I commend them for how well they handled the incident. I’m also sorry for the officers that were badly injured and the young man who was killed. I hope the officers and their families have excellent support to handle the aftermath of such a horrific incident.

You’ve said exactly what I was thinking. The police were amazing!

So how should they have done it?

Presumably you’re a serving officer or police trainer with experience of these situations and speak with expertise?

if not shut up. You know nothing.

it’s like the Nicola Bulley case, and the “paedophile hunters”. All armchair experts who know exactly what the police are, aren’t, should or shouldn’t be doing.

if you’re so great, join up and prove it. You run toward and armed murderer and do it better.

Whilst I think the officers who handled this incident are brave it doesn't change my opinion of the police overall. They're incompetent, they lie and cover up their mistakes and some officers I have had dealings with have been downright rude its like they think the uniform makes them better than the public they're supposed to be serving. I would never trust them because they have more skeletons in their closet than a cemetary and they never admit or take accountability for their fuck ups they talk bullshit about lessons being learned without admitting fault. They also wrote the book on racism, sexism, homophobia and any other form of prejudice.

Why is your friend telling you information about the injuries suffered by a victim of crime?

Yes they were all brave. He was tasered 3 times. I'm not sure why people have to single out one officer. It seems very sexist.

@Dotjones so by your logic, all nurses are likely child killers?

FFS!! Can we not just have one thread where we can discuss how brave all those police officers were yesterday.

No-one is denying the truly horrific things that other individual officers have done but this thread is about the courage shown yesterday.

If you want to have a go at the police for whatever reason then go and find another thread where that is being discussed. Or you can start one of your own if you so wish.

What those officers did yesterday was truly heroic. I doubt any of the 'police-bashers' would last 2 minutes doing that job. The information coming out today about the injuries some have suffered is horrific.

It is utterly heartbreaking that a young boy lost his life in such shocking and disgusting circumstances and all he was doing was leaving his house to go to school.

I don't think we should praise them too much or let this one incident improve our perception of them. Bad people can sometimes do the right thing, but it doesn't stop them being bad people. Wayne Couzens sometimes arrested criminals and sometimes protected the public. That didn't stop him abducting and murdering sometone though. He was still a bad person.

We should remember to judge the police by how they behave as a group at all times, not just cherry pick occasional incidents where they just get on with doing a job that can be difficult at times. (It's the same with other groups like nurses, Lucy Letby for instance helped some patients some of the time, but was convicted recently for some abhorrent offences.)

This.

Yes they deserve medals.

We also need to continue to look carefully at the culture within the police force which has allowed/cultivated a series of failings.

What do you mean?

The police are simply amazing and that's why you live in a lawless estate?

And you highlight these people's views by highlighting the fact she is female and almost feeling the need to shout out they can be brave.
It shouldn't even need to be raised, people should not even bat an eyelid, the more you do the more it's noticed.

How many people were viewing them as police officers before your post highlighted the female. The gender is irrelevant they are police officers, the more people highlight the gender the more people will focus on it. That is why your post is being questioned.

Do we know wether or not he had mental health problems. He may have just been evil, such people do exist.

I’d have to disagree. Once the tasers had been deployed, they were a little clueless. There is no time to hesitate in situations like this.

I think some people on this post have forgotten in their anxiety to use this to remind everyone how terrible the Police are is that people have put their life on the line

Somewhere out there a parent, a partner and a loved one got a dreaded knock on the door to say that there had been an incident and that someone they care about is hurt

They have received life changing incidents and you from the safety of your nice warm home think it's a great time to comment about Wayne Couzins in case people have forgotten, they haven't but please let bravely stand alone and these officers get the recognition they deserve

I would be willing to bet that in whatever sphere you work there will be bad examples. Are you ready to be judged by that minority?

Quite a common way of opening a champagne bottle in the Army!

So @Bridgetta you're on the "WHOS TO BLAME FOR HIS KILLING SOMEONE!!" route??
Why is it the blame is always on someone else?

And yes, they were fucking brave. Stop with your agenda, what ever it is. Are you a 'defund the police/anyone you see as 'authority' ?

Can't believe some people straight away centralise the murderer. He KILLED a child.

I agree that the police yesterday were brave and did a good job.

But I take issue with this:

The police bashing in this country also has to stop, we are not America, most of our police force is full of people who want to protect the public

It really isn't. An unacceptable number of police officers have a criminal record, and I can think of several recent incidents where police have been shown to be consistently sexist, racist, and misogynistic. Police officers have a higher rate of domestic violence than the average man in the street.

You’ve got it wrong. We are wondering why there is not a general thread, instead of just this thread praising police (or there could be others by now?).

Perhaps nobody wants to discuss underlying issues, which is fair.

But I am just observing that reporting or discussing a story like this by pushing a particular framing (brave police!) may be burying the lede—what caused a young man to go swinging a sword at random people in the street in the first place? The ‘heroic police’ or ‘heroic bystander’ is a secondary part of the story imo

This is a very common tactic in Chinese domestic media, btw.

Oh, if there had been AFOs present he would have been shot dead, there's no doubt of that. Like this guy who waved a plastic scale model sword at police during a mental health crisis: https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/mums-pain-ten-years-after-88064

Wow to the woman running towards him in first footage. So brave. And thank you to all the brave officers committed to stopping him.

RIP to the young boy who lost his life. Tragic and senseless loss.