To want to praise the police - London sword attack

Hear hear! I completely agree , counter balances to the constant negative portrayal of the police is very much needed.

This thread has also made me feel sad @boozeclues . Such criticism of a police force which isn’t even armed. Not all Met police even have Tasers.

Never mind that we have barely mentioned the boy who died, a young man whose school, community and church say was an absolute gem. We aren’t talking about the injured police or how much worse it could have been. We are talking about how the police hesitated in the face of extreme violence.

OneTC · Yesterday 14:04
FFS!! Can we not just have one thread where we can discuss how brave all those police officers were yesterday.

Start one.
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This thread is about how you shouldn't criticise the police”

Is it? I don’t think so. That’s what it’s become. Don’t think that’s what OP intended?

YANBU. Highlighting credit where credit is due is important as a counter balance to what can often seem to be a constant drip feed of negativity towards eg. police, politicians, social workers etc as otherwise the good ones will continue to get discouraged and leave!

The internet. Freely available with a quick google. It's a massive problem.

She needs to decompress with her colleagues who were at the same event. It is wrong to discuss it with you.

And yet they are still a drop in the ocean compared to all the good….. I’m sure you know better than anyone else though

It's not infrequent though, just doesn't make it to the media.

And yes I know for a FACT without outing myself as to how. The stories I could tell.

Anyway my thoughts are with the child that was brutally murdered on his way to school by a thug. Sending his parents and loved ones my condolences and love.

Glad the police were eventually able to stop him, curious to see how long he gets in prison.

Yes instead let’s cherry pick the incredibly infrequent bad things they do and judge them based on that! 🙄

Because my friend needs to bloody decompress after constantly traumatising events.

Nothing she tells me is identifying info.

Maybe you should contact everyone that’s ever written a book about their time in the emergency services and have a pop at them too.

Now bore off

He was tasered 3 times, he was shoved towards him after the third taser. I can't see the rank of the one shouting. The female officer walking towards him fired the third taser.

I agree the lack of experienced officers is an issue. I agree that pava isn’t great either and sometimes does more harm than good. My issue with this was after the initial take down with the tasers, there was some hesitancy where decisive action was required. Probably due to lack of experience like you say but good control and restraint training should mean that this stuff is automatic.

It wasn’t bad but could have been better. Every incident is a learning experience.

Yes I was wondering what was happening as one police officer was shoving another towards him after the initial taser.

They were very brave (particularly the police woman who walked towards him and tasered him). She was so calm as she was radioing in at the same time as tasering. I sensed less hesitation from her than the others. It was a bit frantic afterwards. Understandable but I guess there is a protocol that needs to happen.

I was a control and restraint trainer for many years for both the police, prison service and forensic environments. Yes I have disarmed individuals and I have been stabbed twice over a 30 year career.
so I’ll break it down: initial contact and use of tasers was good. There was hesitation about what to do next. What should have happened is the nearest officer who hadn’t deployed the taser should have disarmed the subject and restrained and then applied mechanical restraint(handcuffs). This part was delayed and the nearest officer had to be shoved and instructed by a colleague behind him. Not awful but it could have been a lot better. Tasers are not infallible and that hesitation could have allowed the subject to recover and become an instant threat.

Hopefully you understand that police officers are representative of society as that is where they are recruited from. Misogyny and racism do exist within policing, as they do within many organisations. Not all women will be unhappy with the service they have received and not all female police officers will have poor experiences.
It's really easy to generalise from the outside looking in when you are judging by what is reported via the media. There will be countless female victims that have also felt heard and supportive. Many female officers that are leading the changes. Ultimately front line officers leave the house every day with no certainty that they will return, emergency responders across the board are subjected to repeated trauma throughout their working lives. Would you do it?

The young teenager who was killed has been named as Daniel Anjorin who looks like a boy any of us would be proud to call our son. It is sad beyond words.
Without the bravery of our police there could have been even more killed.
RIP Daniel

So , please elaborate as to what you think they should have done ? You know , with your vast experience of highly fluid , stressed fast paced environments involving armed individuals who have already badly injured your colleagues ?

Do you know that these days , apart from the supervisory ranks , most officers on the street have less than 5 years service . Five years . I am a complete exception , but I've been the oldest in terms of service on my team for nearly 10 years now.

When you deal with an incident like that, it's not like bloody tv . It's highly fluid . It's unpredictable, and it's messy . Taser, whilst a really good bit of kit , is not infallible. I've known it to fail , quite a bit . Pava doesn't always work, and has a habit of incapacitating everyone including officers . Extendable baton works , but you have to get within his striking range which is highly dangerous.

So. He gets tasered and goes down, still in possession of that sword . Still got to get it off him ( I had a colleague stabbed twice in the calf trying to do just that with someone detained in the floor) The amount of adrenaline running is still going , and now you have to detain him safely without injury to him either . Of course it sounds confusing . It bloody well is , because it's real life, not the sodding Bill .

Some of those officers will still be in their probation. For some it may be the first really ( and I mean REALLY) serious incident in their service . And yet they still went forward despite knowing their colleagues had been hurt, and knowing the limitations of their kit .

Adult Men?

Well they shouldn't be discussing it, the victim should be respected not made the subject of gossip.

They are brave and successfully detained him.
But YABU talking about them as if they are children. They are adult men who are police officers.

Don’t be ridiculous. Of course that’s not all I think about. I’m asking why that info which should be confidential is being shared. No the attending officer shouldn’t be speaking about it to friends. That’s what service / multidisciplinary team debriefs are for. It’s a disciplinary offence to share that kind of info with people that don’t need to know it. I don’t need to share my other thoughts and feelings about it to ask a simple fucking question so do one with your snidey shit.

I know it's not the point but these are not authentic katanas. it's been illegal to make katanas in Japan since the 1870s. anything made outside of Japan/not by a traditional swordsmith is not authentic. in this country it is illegal to carry these and other similar weapons unless you have a training license.

FFS!! Can we not just have one thread where we can discuss how brave all those police officers were yesterday.

Start one.

This thread is about how you shouldn't criticise the police