To think Taylor Swift is overrated?

Lots of people don’t like male artists too. I can’t listen to Justin Bieber, Robbie Williams, Sam Smith and Lewis Capaldi.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4432167-What-music-artists-voice-can-you-just-not-stand

I love Taylor swift!

I used to love Keanu, all through my teens, 20's 30s and now 40's. For about 28 of those years EVERYONE said to me he was a shit actor, didn't understand what I saw in him etc etc. Now he is the ultimate man for most women.

I like TS, if you don't I'm sure she won't think it a great loss. Move on with your life OP.

Thought I should add, I still love Keanu (if your'e reading 😘)

I think she's had some good songs. I heard all the entries from her latest album that were in the top 40 last week and none stood out in any way. Instead of putting out 30 mediocre songs I think she should have put out 10 good ones.

Not this again. Why aren’t we talking instead about why people don’t go on and on about disliking male artists the way they do about Taylor Swift.

I think she's brilliant and have tickets to see her in June. I love her talent, her work ethic, politics but even I am wondering if (whispers quietly) she might be becoming a little over-exposed? She's everywhere you turn at the moment.

What do you mean by overrated? She does what she does extremely well and millions love her for it.

Her music is not to my taste and I consider it harmonically and melodically unadventurous but art is after all in the eye of the beholder and most people are more interested in her lyrics than the music itself. Her fans, who appear to form a significant part of the population, rate her very highly indeed. And they are the only ones that matter.

Why on earth have you brought sex into it? That’s very disturbed thinking.

Taylor swift fans give a lot of people the ick.

Lots of Taylor Swift fans are teenage girls. If they are giving grown adults "the ick" which is usually used to refer to sexual relationships then thank fuck for that, it's about time something gave adults the ick for teenage girls!

One of the things I LOVE her for (my dds are fans) is that she agrees - she can’t dance.

so she tries, laughs at herself and every teen in the crowd gets a most valuable lesson!

IMO performing in your pants is sort of ‘sexy sells’.

End of the day she’s rated as she’s rated. Her songs (the ones I’ve heard, which is not all of them) sound derivative and unoriginal, but if people like it fine. Good for her.

She plays her own instruments and writes her own songs.
She's reached billionaire status.
She's in the middle of a sell out world tour and more dates are being added all the time to existing ones.
Her latest song and album has just broken records (doesn't seem like the tide is turning).
All without resorting to the usual 'sexy sells' tactics.

I want to be this level of average!

Nah!

There has been a huge shift in how music is made now. It's generic, artificial and the use of digital technology makes all current pop music sound the same. There is no individuality either, speaking of female 'artists' it's actually all about how little a woman can wear while prancing around on stage because what else is there to give? Nada! Nothing at all!

I am not anti 'modern' music at all. There are still some great house tunes being made, but you won't really hear it mainstream and a lot of work and soul goes into it. Generic pop music not so much.

100% agree OP

Shes in the middle of a sell out world tour and her new album is breaking all sorts of records...but if it makes you feel better to say the ‘tide is turning’ go ahead I guess.

She’s doing quite well for someone who is ‘average’.

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I think the major issue is she's very average with but has cultivate an incredibly intense and borderline insane fan base who have all drank the cool aid of her pr team.

It's horribly cringey, all of it, her dance moves her songs and her fans. I think the tide is just starting to shift and people are finding the whole thing dated. Taylor swift fans give a lot of people the ick.

And then the straw man arguments come out about how 'people who love her really can't see her criticised'. Which is funny given that's literally the point of these threads. Seems to me the people obsessed about making over the top ridiculous statements about Swift aren't her fans...

Another poster who thinks everything was better in the past 🙄 I’m guessing from the Viz reference you’re into music from the 90s? And good for you, music in the 90s was phenomenal. But so is music from whatever era you’re young and having fun. It’s the soundtrack you live by.

So if you’re one of those grumps who don’t get the hype or think it’s mediocre or say ‘music was better in my day…’ perhaps it’s not because the multi award-winning talented billionaire mega star Taylor Swift is ‘overrated’ - maybe you’re just past it.

Love this

I am happy for my daughter to like her as she stands for body positivity , is a cat loving feminist who stood with dignity when Kanye west shamed himself and came through the Kim lies drama with aplom

As far as we know no drink/ drugs and no stupid social media comments in fact she is musically talented ( even though I don't like all her songs) positive clean living woman

I really hate "cool" people jumping on bandwagons to hate pop starts

Her music is not my taste. However, her politics, her mindset and the message she sends to young women most definitely is.

These threads are completely pointless.

The people that get it, get it.

The people that don't, don't.

If you genuinely want to try and understand why she has so many fans, you could try listening to more than just the chart hits. But realistically, most people won't do that, and of those that do, some will still not like her music. That's ABSOLUTELY FINE. I mean, I could write reams about why I think her voice is actually fantastic, and how (a lot of, not all) her music speaks to me in a way that knocks me sideways. But at the end of the day it's irrelevant. People are different and enjoy different things.

What's unremittingly dull is constant fucking threads bitching and moaning about a woman whose only crime has been to make music you don't personally enjoy. Just give over. For the love of God, give over. This incessant need to proclaim how much you don't like something is a really weird way to spend your day.

I’ve tried to hear whatever it is her music that has so many people entranced, but I just can’t. It’s boring and formulaic and her voice is adequate but not amazing. So I tend to just ignore all of the hoopla. It’ll be someone else in a few years. People who love her though really can’t stand anyone criticising her which gets a bit over the top.

There are lots of factors that don’t apply in the same way to the other artists you listed.

• Has achieved big genre shifts, mainly country to pop, without alienating either fanbase
• A highly parasocial relationship with her rabid fanbase keeping them invested in her music and personal life, and the links between the the two.
• Very relatable storytelling to the average listener, strong songwriting in general
• No major controversies, a ‘clean’ and not very sexualised image, suitable for all ages music and live shows, cross generational appeal
• She does everything at a high enough level to make her the complete package basically

It took a while for Lover to grow on me so keeping on with TTPD, already liking Florida! more and more.