I am surprised at the level of Islamophobia on Mumsnet

Now he's not exactly my favourite person in the world but I don't think Rishi Sunak has ever thrown anyone off the roof of a tall building.

He was probably tempted a few times when Boris was standing in front of an open window. But as far as we know, he resisted the urge.

Thank you 😀

Please don't speak for all Indians. I am the dd of Indian immigrants who mixed with all cultures, but I cannot say the same for my generation in my family which is huge, they have mostly stuck to the indians/ east africans to socialise with and have not mixed culturally with anyone else. I however have married a muslim man and I can definitely say his family is very culturally diverse, have plenty of ethnicities in the family. All his family including the next generation were allowed to marry who they wanted and have never shied away from having friends from all ethnicities and cultures, more so than my own hindu/ indian family. There are plenty of families like this that I know of. There are plenty of Indians who have been in this country for generations who still cannot speak the english language as they never mix with any other nationalities.

A star indeed, DanielGault, and how wonderful that she finally found happiness away from this kind of indoctrination

She's a star tbh. She was raised catholic and was a very good one, but when it came to the marriage and abortion refs she put some serious thought in and decided to go against the indoctrination. She suffered abuse for 30 odd years by my father (encouraged by the local priest, who she knew, as she was in the choir), and eventually said fuck this, I'm out. She tricked him into him going on holiday on his own, and when he got back she was moved out. She has since remarried and is really happy. She's really quite inspirational tbh.

Your mum sounds lovely, DanielGault, and I can quite see she'd have struggled at the time, but then that's what you get when a load of manmade nonsense gets piled onto a few basic tenets and community pressure is added to that

When I was growing up, it was quite the opposite. Muslims (or any non Catholics) would have been seen as alien altogether. And I was in a city, not in a backwater. I find it much better/more tolerant now.

Yes the two are intertwined definitely, but if I met someone who was from a Muslim background I wouldn't assume that they were strictly following the religion or that they believed everything that their parents/grandparents believed in. So I guess that's how I understood the difference between culture and religion.

It was like a slow motion car crash! My poor H was devastated, mum was so shocked and I was in the middle. It really should have been a sit com tbh 😂

Oh no 😬 I imagine your husband was in quite a lot of trouble over that...

In saying all that though, mum was quite conservative until the gay son made her really face up to her beliefs. It was transformative for her. It could have gone either way. But she was brilliant. And even better again when my husband accidentally outed my younger brother to her 🫣

Well tbh I don't think anyone actually believes all of that. It's pick n mix to a large extent. I'm a complete non believer, but I totally respect anyone else's beliefs as long as they don't get in my way. Live and let live etc.

Your mum is exactly the kind of person I was talking about when I said the lovely members of the Abrahamic religions are the ones who ignore some of the teachings. You can't believe everything written in the Bible/Torah/Qu'ran and be a lovely person.

Thank you. That makes sense to me actually. My mum is a Catholic, but has been burned by the church. She stopped going to mass, but afaik she still has her faith. And she didn't let Catholicism stop her from embracing her (two!) gay sons sexualities. She is a good woman, with 'christian' values, but she won't take any of their shite anymore.

UN seems to think so
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It was once expressed to me by a scholar like this:

A faith relates to someone's belief in their deity, whereas culture's influenced by the practices of people in the community who share that faith

Are you sure that India is the most unsafe. Or are we not privy to what happens in other countries because of how little comes out.

If a Muslim was to tell me about something that happened to someone they knew some years ago instigated by a person who was probably not a Muslim then I wouldnt sagely nod and say "yeah, all non Muslims are like that"

That's quite a leap you made there. I don't know @Whingebob, but I'm willing to bet she would be concerned about that...

Oh yeah. It's a massive leap. I have Muslims friends both male and female from India, Pakistan, Kurdistan and Somalia. Of course I don't support hate crimes to random Muslims just because I dare to have a different opinion to Exomoon, and think that there are valid concerns about some sects/teachings.

For all those who have experienced or witnessed the negative aspects of Islam, here is a little positive anecdote:
My DD is currently at uni in Birmingham.

Naturally there is a high % of Muslim students on her course...
She gets on well with nost people on her course and has some lovely Muslim friends. One of these friends invited her and a few others to celebrate Eid with her family... after having done other fun stuff with sad friend !

So if a Muslim were to tell you an anecdotal/second-hand experience about prejudice they or someone they know experienced, you would dismiss it too presumably?

OP literally says shes Hindu

I doubt it. Someone posted about thousands of attacks on Muslims each year (many of which are hijab ripping and spitting) and Whingebob responsed ‘oh here we go’.

@exomoon I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're talking about. What is whiter than white go to do with anything, what?

Nobody's been 'targeted' by a posting something you disagree with, get over yourself.

You’ve just described a lot of governments. Your own government has likely committed a lot of these.