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To ask what you think when you see a white woman and a Muslim man?

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Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:12

White non markedly Muslim or other wise woman and a Muslim man together, clearly in a relationship? What do you think?

as this is an anonymous forum, please do be honest.

after that thread about the woman marrying and arab, it strikes me that a lot of people have some quite strong opinions on this, and the convert to Islam threads on here also have been quite telling

disclaimer this is me, despite living in a very multicultural place, we do get looks here and there and boundless questions on our relationship that tbh aren’t very appropriate to ask a stranger whenever we meet new people. And if we go someplace less diverse the looks are more apparent.

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Ilovemyshed · 29/04/2024 13:01

Doesn't bother me in the slightest but by "Muslim" I assume you mean "of Asian looking heritage"

CammyChameleon · 29/04/2024 12:59

If we're talking native British white woman married to a man I can tell is Muslim by his dress, and she has obviously converted by adopting Muslim dress, I would wonder why tf she wanted to limit herself by converting to such a religion when she hasn't had to grow up in it.

JSMill · 29/04/2024 12:54

Anonymous2025 · 29/04/2024 12:33

Depends , I have a colleague and friend married to a Muslim man that’s is just a normal couple , she didn’t convert , they celebrate both Christmas Muslim holidays . Very independent women’s who would just put up with anything controlling .
If I see women having to jeopardise their beliefs , their feminist values , their day to day then I feel sad that women would subjugate to that . I don’t care if Muslims, Catholic , Jew . If you need to change your core values to be with someone that is bad .

Yup. I'm married to a Muslim and if he expected me to subjugate myself to him, we wouldn't be together. Tbh my dh has far more respect for women and woman's rights than a lot of British Christian men I know.

IncompleteSenten · 29/04/2024 12:49

Literally nothing.
I don't care.

blankittyblank · 29/04/2024 12:49

Soigneur · 29/04/2024 10:44

I've never seen someone wearing a cassock outside of a church service and never seen someone wearing a hijab in the UK (and that's women isn't it?) I thought turbans were traditional national dress (Turks and Indians) - didn't realise it was religious.

I'm surprised you've never seen a woman in a hijab in the UK? Is that right? That's just a headscarf. I live in East London and about 50% of the school run mums here wear burkas!

MorningSunshineSparkles · 29/04/2024 12:48

Do you mean a Middle Eastern man? Because unless they’re in full spiritual getup, how can you tell someone’s religion just by looking at them? Not all Middle Eastern men are muslim, it’s as daft as asking what you’d think of a white woman with a male Buddhist.

coffeeandcake91 · 29/04/2024 12:42

What's with the surge of posts about Muslims, Islam - relationships, etc.

Sounds like people are trying to cause shit.

To answer the OP no one would care.

Superstoria · 29/04/2024 12:35

If I saw a couple where the man was in traditional Islamic dress and the woman wasn’t, I’d probably idly wonder what issues that might have brought up for them, how they had navigated them, and then carry on with my day and forget all about them tbh.

Anonymous2025 · 29/04/2024 12:33

Depends , I have a colleague and friend married to a Muslim man that’s is just a normal couple , she didn’t convert , they celebrate both Christmas Muslim holidays . Very independent women’s who would just put up with anything controlling .
If I see women having to jeopardise their beliefs , their feminist values , their day to day then I feel sad that women would subjugate to that . I don’t care if Muslims, Catholic , Jew . If you need to change your core values to be with someone that is bad .

Pheeeeebs · 29/04/2024 12:30

I would not notice, it’s a non event. If pressed for an opinion, I would say “they must like each other”.

Apollo365 · 29/04/2024 12:29

I wouldn’t notice.

BusyMummy001 · 29/04/2024 12:27

Well, unless he has muslim tattooed across his forehead, I’m not sure how I would know? Lots of ‘white’ people are muslim, and many dark-skinned persons are not.

My mother married a muslim when I was 4. My muslim family, being liberal Sunni asylees from Iran when the Shah was deposed, are lovely, caring people. Doctors, a NASA scientist, an ex RAF aeronautical engineer, accountants… well educated, community orientated, and wonderfully inclusive to the little white girl my dad adopted. My mother? Bloody nightmare.

InSpainTheRain · 29/04/2024 12:19

I don't think anything of it. However, I did date an arab guy for a bit, he was lapsed muslim but his family were still religious. He was great, fun, solvent, intelligent etc.. but no way would I marry him. You don't marry an arab guy, you marry his whole family and who knows when his parents could persuade him that it was time to take being a muslim more seriously. Risking that life was not for me.

betterangels · 29/04/2024 11:59

IAmThe1AndOnly · 29/04/2024 08:47

On the surface I wouldn’t take a bit of notice.

But i would notice if e.g. the woman had started to dress modestly, started to wear a head scarf etc and I would wonder about whether their daughters were being raised in the Muslim faith and everything that represents.

If the marriage goes well then power to them and nobody needs to care.

But if the marriage goes wrong it has the potential to go very, very wrong.

E.g. I would never advise someone move to an Arab country because if the marriage ends then the woman loses all rights to the children.

In the UK if someone divorces their husband from certain countries the warning is always to ensure that he never leaves the country with them.

I think all major religions have certain red flags if the people practicing those religions are particularly evangelical. And those red flags should be heeded going in.

I would think similar.

MsPringle · 29/04/2024 11:54

A stranger in the street, I wouldn't be interested. My daughter, I would be interested in what, if any, the expectations would be in terms of complying with the rules/customs/other woo this religion (same as any other) made up to control women.

AndiOliversGlasses · 29/04/2024 11:25

I think the basic reaction would be to be confused as to why a man would be religious enough to allow religion to dictate his dress but not let it dictate his choice of partner.

If, on the other hand, the woman was also Muslim and dressed accordingly, but white, I would barely give it a second thought.

CharlotteBog · 29/04/2024 11:16

Combattingthemoaners · 29/04/2024 11:10

What a weird question. I wouldn’t think anything. Not every male Muslim is a threat to women….if that is what you are implying? This thread is teetering on dodgy territory.

YOU might not think anything, but you're being naive to believe no one does or should think anything.
That's what this thread is discussing.

Usernamen · 29/04/2024 11:15

TakeMe2Insanity · 29/04/2024 10:51

But she can marry a white man who is a muslim. Which I have done and unless we are sat in a mosque people are quick to assume he isn’t muslim especially since the advent of hipster beards!

Well, “she” can marry whoever she wants actually. This is the UK, not Saudi Arabia.

Nogoodusername · 29/04/2024 11:13

I’m a white woman married to a Muslim. He’s North African. Not sure people can tell whether he is Muslim or not - he’s obviously not white/ a different nationality to mine. But has never worn clothes that would mark him out as Muslim - here on back home. We’re in London so it’s very normal to see a mixed couple. The only racism I have encountered is in our early 20s at British airports when he didn’t have a British passport, lots of being stopped and questioned

godmum56 · 29/04/2024 11:11

I am in the it depends camp....I mean I might not notice. Round here its common to see hijabi women in western clothes, including tight jeans and lowish cut tops so I'd be more likely to identify a couple by what the woman is wearing than the man, although its not something that I would accord more than a passing thought if that. What I do see, although not as often, is a man dressed in western clothing with one or more women in burquas. Children are similarly dressed, the boys in western jeans and t shirts, the girls in "modest" clothing, maybe with their hair covered. While it doesn't occupy my thoughts for long, I do wonder how much choice the women have in those circumstances, especially on hot days. I am in south UK near a multicultural town.

Combattingthemoaners · 29/04/2024 11:10

What a weird question. I wouldn’t think anything. Not every male Muslim is a threat to women….if that is what you are implying? This thread is teetering on dodgy territory.

MaryBay · 29/04/2024 11:06

These days long beards are fashionable and if he looks Asian or Middle Eastern, well some people from this ethnicity can look from a multitude of cultures and backgrounds from Latin America to India to White European so it would have to be traditional Islamic wear and other visibly Islamic clues. In a jeans and a t shirt we can't guess he is a Muslim he could be Hindu or Atheist or whatever.

MaryBay · 29/04/2024 11:04

It just doesn't make sense that a woman of any ethnicity would be dressed in shorts and sleeveless top or a short dress with a Muslim man who observes the Sunna in his dress unless they are doing a sketch for Social Media or he is dressed up for Eid or a special occasion because if he is that religious he just wouldn't be with her not in the marriage or even seen outside with her like this as it's considered haram.

utilitarianism · 29/04/2024 11:04

If he wasn't wearing something to indicate that he's Muslim, I'd never know. If he was wearing traditional garb, long beard, etc, and she was dressed in Western style, I might wonder what their relationship is like, since I'd think fairly unusual that he be extremely devout and yet married to someone who doesn't seem to share the same beliefs.

I'd be similarly curious if a woman fully covered in veils was married to an obviously non-Muslim man, or a man with Orthodox Jewish dress and hair was with a woman whose dress indicated she was of a different faith. I think a certain amount of curiosity is natural, under those circumstances, not that I'd particularly care, if I didn't know them personally. But yes, I might briefly wonder about their history together.

MaryBay · 29/04/2024 10:59

So you're later have added that the the man would be dressed and groomed according to Sunna so quite an observant Muslim with a wife with a White woman.
Some Syrians and Palestinians are White. Even if he married a Christian or Jewish woman religious Muslim men would ask her to cover her hair up, if they married her at all because there would pressure from the community that he persuades her to convert to Islam or to marry a Muslim woman. If she is Muslim, an observant man will be pressuring her even more, or not marrying her at all if she won't wear hijab. Community pressure will be against him to persuade his wife to wear a hijab.

So it depends on details really. Either way I would just know we would have less in common and disagree on fundamental things in life so I'd be polite because religious freedom is law but I would also give them a wide berth.

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