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To ask what you think when you see a white woman and a Muslim man?

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Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:12

White non markedly Muslim or other wise woman and a Muslim man together, clearly in a relationship? What do you think?

as this is an anonymous forum, please do be honest.

after that thread about the woman marrying and arab, it strikes me that a lot of people have some quite strong opinions on this, and the convert to Islam threads on here also have been quite telling

disclaimer this is me, despite living in a very multicultural place, we do get looks here and there and boundless questions on our relationship that tbh aren’t very appropriate to ask a stranger whenever we meet new people. And if we go someplace less diverse the looks are more apparent.

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Poundshop · 10/09/2024 05:53

Wouldn't even notice it, but I know white women who have converted to Islam after marrying a Muslim and they have experienced what you describe.

It must be very annoying.

Toenailz · 10/09/2024 05:45

I'll bite - seeing as I have friends who follow the Muslim faith. And ironically, I seem to attract attention from a fair few Muslim men (in Britain) whom are more than aware I'm of no religious faith. Don't ask me why because I don't know why - I'm far from some beauty.

I'd not blink twice as I don't typically pay attention, but, if you asked me to think about it - I'd be surprised, honestly - for a couple of reasons. Bear with me.

For starters, I find it hard to imagine how I'd know they were in a relationship, unless I knew the people personally. Muslims, generally don't typically tend to display public affection in quite the same way that non-Muslim people (particularly of the West), do. Without PDA I'd struggle to automatically assume anybody was a couple, regardless what their religious faith was. I'd struggle to assume any woman that a Muslim man was in public with, was his partner, for just the same reason I suppose. It could be family, in laws, whatever, really. Just as it could be with any non-Muslim man.

Secondly, I understand it is haram for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man - but, I assumed, perhaps wrongly (hopefully someone can answer this for me, as I've never thought to ask my friends this) this would be absolutely the same, vice versa. I would, have at one time, presumed an outwardly practising man, would want to enter in a relationship with a fellow Muslim, probably outwardly practising also, but I've also met plenty of couples where this is not the case, and the woman does not 'outwardly' practise, if that makes sense. So I'd no longer think that.

That's about as far as it would go, really. Because I'm also very aware of plenty of Muslim women in Britain who do not wear hijab. So it's all moot.

I guess that means that if I even thought about it, I'd automatically assume she was of Muslim faith too. Is it haram for a Muslim man to have a relationship with a non Muslim woman?

biscuitandcake · 10/09/2024 01:52

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:31

How would you know?

genuinely surprised people are asking, if they are wearing traditional dress, long beard, prayer cap, someone who’s marked muslim by their appearance, answers so far are genuinely surprising me given the PP about a woman going to an Arab country to get married

I would honestly be really suprised if I saw a Muslim man dressed in full Islamic dress, clearly in a relationship (walking around holding hands?) with a woman in very clearly non-muslim dress (not wearing a Hijab, not dressed particularly modestly). Not judgemental, just... confused.
Other than that, I wouldn't exactly judge a white non-muslim woman dating a muslim. But in my experience, it would be unlikely to lead to marriage etc. So if it was a friend I would be advising caution of they were seeing it as a long term thing. I know a lot of South Asian men who had White British girlfriends (same age as them, nowt dodgy) but ultimately ended up marrying someone from a more similar background.

MaryEllenWaldron · 10/09/2024 01:36

Alpacasmum · 29/04/2024 19:21

Well that is racist for a start.

Islam is a religion, not a race.

MaryEllenWaldron · 10/09/2024 01:34

TakeMe2Insanity · 01/05/2024 16:27

Wow the judgment.

She is expressing her opinion to which she's entitled, and as the OP requested. You have a problem with that?

LBFseBrom · 10/09/2024 01:05

There are plenty of white Muslims.

What you mean is what would any of us think seeing a white woman with a non white man.

I would think nothing of it, doubt if I would even notice.

Cabbagepatchkidd · 09/09/2024 23:19

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:12

White non markedly Muslim or other wise woman and a Muslim man together, clearly in a relationship? What do you think?

as this is an anonymous forum, please do be honest.

after that thread about the woman marrying and arab, it strikes me that a lot of people have some quite strong opinions on this, and the convert to Islam threads on here also have been quite telling

disclaimer this is me, despite living in a very multicultural place, we do get looks here and there and boundless questions on our relationship that tbh aren’t very appropriate to ask a stranger whenever we meet new people. And if we go someplace less diverse the looks are more apparent.

To ask what you would think if you saw a
A priest, monk or rabbi with a woman, a a man and a woman, two women, two men, lgbtq with a partner the list of possibilities are endless and fantastic. Do you know what? none of them give a shit about what you think about them.

AyeupDuck · 09/09/2024 23:17

Without a hijab I wonder if she is a secret girlfriend. I was that girlfriend. I was revealed eventually, it was too difficult after that and we broke up.

Cabbagepatchkidd · 09/09/2024 23:01

CremeBruleeLove · 29/04/2024 22:52

I wouldn't think anything OP.

I have found the level of Islamophobia on the boards this week shocking.
I'm white. I live in London. I know there's a reason many people of colour don't want to live elsewhere. Some of our country is so ignorant & backwards.
I guess it's why we brexited hey.

Totally agree with you.
Get to know people for who they are.

Onetiredbeing · 01/05/2024 23:00

I honestly wouldn't even probably notice or if I do it wouldn't even register as something to care about as I have enough things on my mind. Honestly op, I am oblivious to most people around me, just get on with my own stuff 😬

Dargawn · 01/05/2024 22:57

I saw a couple the other day, they were in their late 50s and I thought how great it was. I don’t know why, I just liked the idea of integration. It made me feel hopeful.

Nevermind31 · 01/05/2024 22:54

Do you mean a devout Muslim (of any nationality), or do you mean a man of Arab/ Pakistani/ Iranian/ etc origin?
beca there is quite a difference…. The former… I would be surprised if the woman was without a headscarf. The latter…. I wouldn’t really think anything at all.

MarioIa · 01/05/2024 22:48

A person’s name can be a clue, but even then, it isn’t a reliable clue.

True. I've known a few ginger white guys with names like Ademi Ngeboze and Rajinder Singh.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 22:34

StormingNorman · 30/04/2024 15:52

Oh stop virtue signalling.

How is that virtue signalling?
Term that's wheeled out for anything people can't respond to or dislikes it seems

TakeMe2Insanity · 01/05/2024 16:27

ViaMargutta · 29/04/2024 20:04

What do I think if a see a white European woman wearing hijab, etc? Disdain. I think she's a gullible idiot with a low self esteem. If I see her with a little girl in tow, also covered up head to to? I feel anger. And I'm very sorry for the poor child. No little girl deserves this. Being indoctrinated from birth and treated as a second class citizen by her own family.

Wow the judgment.

StormingNorman · 30/04/2024 15:52

EgyptianMummies · 30/04/2024 11:21

How does one woman ‘perceive’ whether another woman is born into an Islamic family? Putting clothes aside (and remembering that many Muslim women dress no differently from you: my Muslim grandmother never even wore a headscarf except for prayers, being from a country that was keen to maintain a secular state, and her daughters sported miniskirts and beehives in the 1960s) how can you look at a woman and decide that she is ‘likely to have been born Muslim?’

If it is down to skin colour, there are white Muslims all over the place. Many brown-skinned women are Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, or Christian. Many black women are Christian. Many people whom you might identify visually as east or southeast Asian are also Muslims, Christians, or other faiths.

And many, no doubt, are athiest, or at least agnostic.

A person’s name can be a clue, but even then, it isn’t a reliable clue.

Oh stop virtue signalling.

EgyptianMummies · 30/04/2024 11:21

StormingNorman · 29/04/2024 21:49

I lived and worked in a very multi-cultural part of London and I agree that some Muslims are identifiable as Muslim. It was also very common to see couples with different ethnicities and backgrounds so it wasn’t something I particularly noticed.

To answer OP’s question honestly - sometimes when I saw what I perceived to be a non-Muslim born woman with a Muslim man I would wonder how much life in a religion that seems quite paternalistic worried her. And I would hope she was happy. Particularly if the lady was wearing traditional Muslim dress as I’d hope this was her choice.

How does one woman ‘perceive’ whether another woman is born into an Islamic family? Putting clothes aside (and remembering that many Muslim women dress no differently from you: my Muslim grandmother never even wore a headscarf except for prayers, being from a country that was keen to maintain a secular state, and her daughters sported miniskirts and beehives in the 1960s) how can you look at a woman and decide that she is ‘likely to have been born Muslim?’

If it is down to skin colour, there are white Muslims all over the place. Many brown-skinned women are Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, or Christian. Many black women are Christian. Many people whom you might identify visually as east or southeast Asian are also Muslims, Christians, or other faiths.

And many, no doubt, are athiest, or at least agnostic.

A person’s name can be a clue, but even then, it isn’t a reliable clue.

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 23:08

CremeBruleeLove · 29/04/2024 22:59

"But a Muslim woman wouldn’t marry a non Muslim would she"

Are you serious OP?

Where do you live?

UK where do you live?

a Muslim woman can’t Marry (islamically) a non Muslim. She’s free to have a civil marriage of course but islamically the marriage isn’t recognised

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CremeBruleeLove · 29/04/2024 22:59

"But a Muslim woman wouldn’t marry a non Muslim would she"

Are you serious OP?

Where do you live?

CremeBruleeLove · 29/04/2024 22:53

DonnaBanana · 29/04/2024 08:15

I mean it’s uncommon but I wouldn’t be bothered or interested enough to look or ask questions but I see why some people would. A lot of British people turn into suspicious mediaeval peasants when confronted with novelty or concepts outside of their usual range.

Lolz at suspicious medieval peasants 😂

CremeBruleeLove · 29/04/2024 22:52

I wouldn't think anything OP.

I have found the level of Islamophobia on the boards this week shocking.
I'm white. I live in London. I know there's a reason many people of colour don't want to live elsewhere. Some of our country is so ignorant & backwards.
I guess it's why we brexited hey.

StormingNorman · 29/04/2024 21:49

I lived and worked in a very multi-cultural part of London and I agree that some Muslims are identifiable as Muslim. It was also very common to see couples with different ethnicities and backgrounds so it wasn’t something I particularly noticed.

To answer OP’s question honestly - sometimes when I saw what I perceived to be a non-Muslim born woman with a Muslim man I would wonder how much life in a religion that seems quite paternalistic worried her. And I would hope she was happy. Particularly if the lady was wearing traditional Muslim dress as I’d hope this was her choice.

Springchickenonion · 29/04/2024 21:31

Sorry @Weallknowfrogsgo I @ the wrong person

Whattheflipflap · 29/04/2024 21:24

I wouldn’t have any feelings. It’s none of my business and it just isn’t necessary to pass any judgment

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 21:19

Springchickenonion · 29/04/2024 21:04

@Weallknowfrogsgo I can assure you I'm not a gullible idiot. and my daughters aren't treated as second class citizens by any of our family. What a strange thing to assume!

Erm, I didn’t say that. I’m a revert Muslim myself that was another poster

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