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To ask what you think when you see a white woman and a Muslim man?

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Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:12

White non markedly Muslim or other wise woman and a Muslim man together, clearly in a relationship? What do you think?

as this is an anonymous forum, please do be honest.

after that thread about the woman marrying and arab, it strikes me that a lot of people have some quite strong opinions on this, and the convert to Islam threads on here also have been quite telling

disclaimer this is me, despite living in a very multicultural place, we do get looks here and there and boundless questions on our relationship that tbh aren’t very appropriate to ask a stranger whenever we meet new people. And if we go someplace less diverse the looks are more apparent.

OP posts:
HJ40 · 29/04/2024 09:02

I don't think I would think anything, if indeed I could tell just by sight. You can't tell the background even if you can tell. You know nothing about how people have been brought up or what's brought them together.

Perhaps your question should be why the "vitriol"? Sadly there have been countless threads on mn of such marriages where the women have been tricked, coerced, had their children taken all sorts. It shouldn't in anyway be seen

KateMiskin · 29/04/2024 09:00

Moonlane · 29/04/2024 08:58

How do you know they are Muslim?

Because they are my friends or work colleagues. I meant people I know.

SOxon · 29/04/2024 08:59

Dancingontheedge · 29/04/2024 08:33

There are specific clothing choices, beards and headwear that would make me think a man might be Muslim. Of course, it’s up to the individual, but in many areas of the NW where I lived, it was fairly common to be able to identify a man as a Muslim. Even to whether he was Bengali or Pakistani or Pushtu.
That said, I’d have no opinion on a relationship as described in the OP, other than noting it in the same way as tall/short, same sex, matching outfits or any other combo.
It’d be the behaviour, the interactions and the usual stuff that makes anyone think That’s nice’ or ‘That’s worrying’

I used to be in a walking group with a couple of couples dressed identically, sweaters, anoraks, cords, boots/socks, everything even pull on woollen hats.
These couples were a type, like a couple of bookends, indivisable almost.

Same sex I cannot always decipher, especiallyin Oxford, High Street replete
with androgynous boot wearers, striding in tandem, male couples are usually,
unmissable.

I’m curious about the tall man, tiny woman phenomenon too, which always looks visually unbalanced, whether contortions are necessary in succesful coitus for example, the reverse most unusual, the only one I can conjure is Sophie Dahl with
Jamie Cullum (Sophie refers to him as ‘the one’).

Moonlane · 29/04/2024 08:58

KateMiskin · 29/04/2024 08:56

I don;t think anything. I have enough to be worrying about in my own life.
Most Muslim men in my part of London do not have beards or religious clothing.

How do you know they are Muslim?

Pickled21 · 29/04/2024 08:58

I wouldn't expect a Muslim man that openly wore religious not cultural dress to be with a non practicing Muslim be they white or otherwise. As for 'muslim' men that don't practice I wouldn't be surprised. Or if you are asking if I would be surprised at an asian man with a white woman then no I wouldn't.I've seen relationships where it works but both are non practicing. In relationships where one rediscovers their faith, there has been from what I've been told or witnessed problems. The issues have occurred because commonly the muslim partner has effectively changed the goalposts and often when kids come along.

Moonlane · 29/04/2024 08:57

Eviebeans · 29/04/2024 08:18

Not wanting to be difficult but how would the casual passerby be able to tell that the man was Muslim?

I think we are going by the notion that you can tell.

Zanatdy · 29/04/2024 08:57

Nothing, as my ex is a Muslim and I’m white. Plus how would anyone knows he’s a Muslim, he’s of Indian heritage so could easily be a Hindu or other religion

tangycheesythings · 29/04/2024 08:57

. . . except perhaps how great it is to live in a progressive and society

tangycheesythings · 29/04/2024 08:56

Nothing. Literally nothing at all.

KateMiskin · 29/04/2024 08:56

I don;t think anything. I have enough to be worrying about in my own life.
Most Muslim men in my part of London do not have beards or religious clothing.

Usernamen · 29/04/2024 08:55

Hermittrismegistus · 29/04/2024 08:51

Why not?

I have come across plenty of women from muslim backgrounds who are married / in a relationship with white British men. It’s very common, in fact

Islamically a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish woman but a Muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man.

That’s neither here nor there.

Out in the real world, plenty of women from muslim backgrounds have non-muslim husbands and boyfriends.

To give just one example because she just popped up on my instagram, the beauty entrepreneur Huda Kattan comes from an arab muslim family from what I can tell, but is married to a Portuguese non-muslim man.

It is incredibly common, especially in the west, for muslim women to date/marry western men.

FunLurker · 29/04/2024 08:55

My female friend is Muslim and shes with a white man, they are married and have a family and no ones bothered. I live in a very multicultural area.
My 15 DS recently had some mares round for a gaming thing and out of 14 of them he was the only white British born. I didn't know this till one of his mates said. I know a couple were Muslim and at least 1 was vegan as needed to know due to food.

BobbyBiscuits · 29/04/2024 08:54

I live in London so would never even notice it. If I did, not that I have, I guess I would assume the Muslim man wasn't fully devout/ more westernised, or the woman was also part of
Islam? I suppose the only difference is if I saw a white looking man with a Muslim looking woman I wouldn't necessarily assume the man was part of the same religion. I think it's just that as a woman I see Islam as being something I might need to adhere to, at least to an extent if I dated someone of that culture.

ForCandles · 29/04/2024 08:53

I wouldn't think anything.
If they're happy together, then why not.

Seeline · 29/04/2024 08:52

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:31

How would you know?

genuinely surprised people are asking, if they are wearing traditional dress, long beard, prayer cap, someone who’s marked muslim by their appearance, answers so far are genuinely surprising me given the PP about a woman going to an Arab country to get married

I know a few Muslim men in my area of south London. I only knew they were Muslim once I got to know them. They only wear traditional dress to go to the Mosque on Friday evenings or for celebrations. They all look very different and have different heritage backgrounds. There is nothing that makes them look Muslim!

Hermittrismegistus · 29/04/2024 08:51

Why not?

I have come across plenty of women from muslim backgrounds who are married / in a relationship with white British men. It’s very common, in fact

Islamically a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish woman but a Muslim woman cannot marry a non Muslim man.

Fairyliz · 29/04/2024 08:50

Blackcats7 · 29/04/2024 08:19

I don’t know how I would know if a man was a muslim by looking at him. Am I missing something? I do live in a very white rural area though so forgive my ignorance.
If I see women confirming to religious dress codes (on tv as never seen anybody here) I feel sad and angry that women are expected to cover hair/face etc.
As with most religions my issue is that women are the most controlled.

This is the problem. You might be with the kindest, loveliest man in the world; but you are also more likely to be in a relationship where women are treated as second class citizens.
However at the end of the day it doesn’t matter what a bunch of randoms think; what do you think about the relationship?

DreadPirateRobots · 29/04/2024 08:50

I'm a Londoner. I wouldn't even notice.

I do occasionally see white women wearing hijab or other Islamic clothing locally and I do register that briefly as a relative anomaly, but only in an "oh, that's unusual, now back to my boring self-obsessed thoughts" kind of way.

ladybirdsanchez · 29/04/2024 08:49

So an Asian or Middle Eastern man with a white woman? I wouldn't think anything at all just from that.

But if he was wearing Muslim dress, prayer cap etc I guess I'd wonder how his obvious religious devotion (which usually means needing to marry a Muslim woman who would also presumably wear Muslim dress), and being in a relationship with a non-Muslim works - for both of them. I'm not even remotely religious and I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with anyone who is - whether that's Christian, Muslim, Jewish or anything else.

Usernamen · 29/04/2024 08:48

Weallknowfrogsgo · 29/04/2024 08:45

But a Muslim woman wouldn’t marry a non Muslim would she

Why not?

I have come across plenty of women from muslim backgrounds who are married / in a relationship with white British men. It’s very common, in fact.

BabyofMine · 29/04/2024 08:48

All the people saying how would you know 🙈 I honestly believe must not know many Muslim men. Live and was brought up in an area with high percentages of Muslim people and 90% of Muslim men I would recognise for a combination of their prayer cap, their dress or beard. Does that mean I’d recognise every Muslim man, of course not, but let’s presume OP is talking about a Muslim man who IS recognisable.
Just like you’d be able to recognise a Hasidic Jew or a Sikh man. It’s not racist to say you can recognise people by their dress, in fact I’d say it’s respectful not to lump everyone together!

Summerbay23 · 29/04/2024 08:47

For the most part I don’t know how you’d know either. Obviously if they were in full Islamic dress then yes, but the Muslim men I know (in a work sense) all wear regular work clothes so don’t announce their religious beliefs in an obvious way.

If it was obvious, I doubt I’d think anything of it.

IAmThe1AndOnly · 29/04/2024 08:47

On the surface I wouldn’t take a bit of notice.

But i would notice if e.g. the woman had started to dress modestly, started to wear a head scarf etc and I would wonder about whether their daughters were being raised in the Muslim faith and everything that represents.

If the marriage goes well then power to them and nobody needs to care.

But if the marriage goes wrong it has the potential to go very, very wrong.

E.g. I would never advise someone move to an Arab country because if the marriage ends then the woman loses all rights to the children.

In the UK if someone divorces their husband from certain countries the warning is always to ensure that he never leaves the country with them.

I think all major religions have certain red flags if the people practicing those religions are particularly evangelical. And those red flags should be heeded going in.

BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 29/04/2024 08:46

I do admit to doing a double take when a white woman is wearing traditional Muslim dress as it's unusual to see.
I live by a mosque and almost never see this. I do have 2 couples as friends who are white woman/Muslim man and 2 who are white man/Hindi women but everyone is very westernised and non practicing so it isn't noticeable.

LauderSyme · 29/04/2024 08:46

My thoughts would probably be along the lines of "I wonder whether they've encountered a lot of family or community opposition and prejudice?" and then probably subconsciously deciding they have and giving them props for overcoming it.

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