Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

The guardian has written some really interesting pieces on the plight of Afghan women in the last couple of months. Sorry can't link, but if you're interested they're on there with a quick Google search. One point I did want to pick-up was your statement that the West is partly responsible for their plight. Can I ask why you say that? my over riding feeling is that when the West withdrew, the Afghans were left with the knowledge, skills, training and billions in funding to overthrow the Taliban but instead they put up zero resistance. Now the Afghan women are pleading for the wests interference again, whilst it's obvious that resistance and change must come from within.

I don't think being stoned to death is or has been a punishment for marital rape (the subject of my post) 🤷‍♀️

But without the stoning to death.

Hi Much tbe same as tbe UK did until 1991 (which thank goodness has changed)

Are you suggesting that Hamas want to end the war and are keen to give back the hostages but can't because they were killed by Israelis?

you know in school when you learned about the holocaust and you thought to yourself ‘wow, I can’t believe people let that happen, like the world knew and did nothing about it, I could never’

i think, when our children’s children look back on 2024 they will say the exact shame thing and hang their heads in shame over the genocide of the Gazans and how the world sat by and watched and spoke of ‘both sides’ Never again means never again to anyone

Or shot by Israeli army while bare chested and waving white flags. Or under the rubble.

The post said nothing of the sort. Stop making things up to fit your own narrative. The poster was confirming what many are saying - Hamas are responsible for the current shit show. They refuse to free the Israeli hostages - presumably because most of them have been murdered already.

The post said nothing of the sort. Stop making things up to fit your own narrative. The poster was confirming what many are saying - Hamas are responsible for the current shit show. They refuse to free the Israeli hostages - presumably because most of them have been murdered already.

How does Sharia law view marital rape?

Anything past the centre is ‘far right’ nowadays 🙄

It should as it’s the media outlet of the Christian right wing republicans in the US.

they’ve ran such news as the war on Christmas and Birmingham UK being a Muslim only area of the UK where whites aren’t allowed entry. So yes, anything they claim vaguely Muslim related should be taken with a bucket full of salt

I'd be interested to know your thoughts on what is going on outside of the people you know.

My experience with Muslims in my area is most are good people with a strong sense of family and public service. They often tend to see themselves as being more similar to Christians, particularly Catholics, than very secularized people, and are comfortable in society with all kinds of people, albeit they tend to on the social conservative side.

That being said, I also see that there is some kind of radicalization going on in larger cities, there are people who don't seem to be here to integrate in a meaningful way. There have been cases of Muslims in some differernt western countries being involved in conflicts in their home countries.

Personally, I think it may be in large part a problem of numbers. A place can only really integrate so many newcomers at a given time, and they do need to have some motivation to do so. And they need to be able to expect to be able to get healthcare, jobs, etc, similar to the rest of the population, or you will get real resentments. Not all countries have western types of values, whether people are comfortable with that or not, and it is possible to import people who have no interest in them and in fact think they are bad.

It's a sensible statement. Politics isn't a straight line from left to right, it's more of a circle, or at least a horseshoe.

Left wing extremists and right wing extremists usually have a lot in common.

Labelling women’s legitimate fears as hysterical is a tactic as old as time. Any woman should be alarmed at the rise of religious extremism, and shouting ‘Islamophobia’ to shut down debate is pathetic. Especially when it’s done by right-on white middle-aged women who live to virtue signal their luxury beliefs.

100% agree @WomensRightsRenegade

I’m appalled and embarrassed by the complacency and the condescension of some the the PPs on this thread. Someone else called it above, so much sneering at people’s legitimate and evidence-based concerns. It’s like Owen Jones is here 🤮

Im a social democrat and reasonably liberal but I’ve been alarmed at the fundamentalist fervour on the steers of London for the past six months - many of those of those marchers are completely hateful, advocating for the destruction of Israel. A fellow Liberal democracy and one that shares our values and freedoms.

But most chilling was the celebrations we saw on the streets of London, Manchester, Berlin and other western cities hours after the atrocities of October 7th made the headlines. What were these people celebrating exactly?! Let’s see

• Murder
• infanticide
• Rape (children to grandmothers)
• Sexual mutilation
• Torture
• Necrophilia

There was even a terrifying mob outside the Israeli embassy chanting the old genocidal slogan (“From the river….) on the Monday after the massacre BEFORE Israel had began its campaign in Gaza to recover the hostages and take out Hamas. No pause for reflection in terms of what it all meant, they just wanted to stick the boot in and revel in Israelis/ the Jewish community’s pain and suffering.

Be in no doubt, there are actually bigots amongst us with hate in their hearts that wish to do us harm. The really unfortunate thing is that there are extremely credulous westerners (some appear to be on this thread) that want to help them.

"Religion and race are two different things".

*In your view". (And a somewhat tired Mumsnet trope).

When it comes to Islamaphobia, however, the UN'smdefinition of Islamaphobia states that Islamaphobia is a form of racism.

@Dineasair and @9021Pho If either of you ever feels inclined to stand for election, please let me know and I will join your party. I have rarely read so much well-informed common sense and balance on a MN current events thread. Brava to you both!

Religion and race are two different things. It’s ok not to agree with a particular religion, it doesn’t make you racist.

I am sure they do. This isnt a Muslim country. Please feel free to insult my religion as much as you want and I shall insult yours. As it should be.

It enrages me how women in these countries are largely ignored by the west and the left in particular.

Interesting choice of thread for a new poster

I think you’ll find it’s Christians.

• Around 365 million Christians are subject to “high levels of persecution and discrimination”. This compared to 340 million in 2021 (PDF).
• 1 in 7 Christians are persecuted worldwide, including 1 in 5 in Africa and 1 in 7 in Asia. This compared to 1 in 8 worldwide in 2021 (PDF).
• 4,998 Christians were killed for faith-related reasons. 90% of those killed were in Nigeria, where attacks on Christians have become more common since 2020 as part of a wider rise in political violence against civilians. Open Doors estimates the number of Christians killed for faith-related reasons worldwide was 5,621 in 2023, 5,898 in 2022, and 4,761 in 2021.
• 14,766 Churches and Christian properties were attacked.
• North Korea, Somalia, Libya, Eritrea, and Yemen had the highest rates of reported persecution against Christians.

…Afghanistan took over the top spot from North Korea this year. Open Doors explains that it long was “impossible to live openly as a Christian in Afghanistan. Leaving Islam is considered shameful, and Christian converts face dire consequences if their new faith is discovered. Either they have to flee the country or they will be killed.”

https://www.cato.org/commentary/christianity-worlds-most-persecuted-religion-confirms-new-report

Quite and this one shouldn’t have got legal aid either. I wonder why it did 🤔