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sugarapplelane · 29/04/2024 09:04

grinandslothit · 29/04/2024 06:11

Why would you believe anything coming from Fox News?

I agree

Fox is there to sensationalise and send people into a frenzy, not to inform

it’s worse than the Daily Fail

Goldenbear · 29/04/2024 09:02

DrJoanAllenby · 29/04/2024 08:51

It's too late, it's going to happen here.

Why do you think there is a massive increase in pushing transgender.

A population of weak and feminised men will not be able to stand up and fight.

Where do you live that you are surrounded by men that don’t (unfortunately) fight anymore?

It’s sensationalist rubbish. What has happened to The Telegraph when it peddles this stuff, despite being the Torygraph, in the past it did used to offer some investigative journalism!

IClaudine · 29/04/2024 09:02

inamarina · 29/04/2024 08:59

I agree. That story is being reported on various German news channels, but sure, let’s all just focus on the fact that OP quoted Fox News 🙄

Are you in Germany?

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:59

Primroseoil · 29/04/2024 08:56

Do a Google search it's all over the International media, all the German sites have good coverage of it.

I've just done that, all I can find is right wing international reports. And Elon Musk.
Maybe you could link some?

inamarina · 29/04/2024 08:59

Solgrass · 29/04/2024 06:53

Interesting that all the posters mocking the OP for using Fox News, as a source.

Not discrediting this has actually happened. You’re not interested that there are people calling for a caliphate but it does interest you someone uses Fox News?

Also, it’s using the words ‘solution’ on the march in Germany, we all know what that is alluding to. I can see from the posters on here already, that that wouldn’t bother them much either.

This whole, YABU to be scared is the same gaslighting nonsense that’s used to silence women and children.

So yes, OP. YANBU if you are scared

I agree. That story is being reported on various German news channels, but sure, let’s all just focus on the fact that OP quoted Fox News 🙄

Primroseoil · 29/04/2024 08:56

grinandslothit · 29/04/2024 06:11

Why would you believe anything coming from Fox News?

Do a Google search it's all over the International media, all the German sites have good coverage of it.

OP posts:
AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:56

Primroseoil · 29/04/2024 08:51

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/28/protesters-call-for-islamic-state-in-germany/

For all you being disparaging about Fox news, the telegraph have also reported on it as well as many other media outlets.

The Telegraph, Express, Daily Mail and GB news are basically now the UK version of fox and just share stories round each other. Anything from them needs an automatic Google to see if 1) any other outlets are reporting it and 2) what they are saying

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 29/04/2024 08:54

Fox News🙄

IClaudine · 29/04/2024 08:54

ClareBlue · 29/04/2024 08:50

Worked in Dewsbury in public services, been schooled in Bradford have you @AdamRyan
I have. Close family lived in Berlin for years.
Seen issues with the education system in Birmingham. Seem English as a foreign language in areas of London schools and communities, etc etc.
What is rubbish about it from your experiences, @AdamRyan

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? Some links would be appreciated.

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:54

DrJoanAllenby · 29/04/2024 08:51

It's too late, it's going to happen here.

Why do you think there is a massive increase in pushing transgender.

A population of weak and feminised men will not be able to stand up and fight.

WTAF

Don't be ridiculous

MrsCrumPinnett · 29/04/2024 08:52

DrJoanAllenby · 29/04/2024 08:51

It's too late, it's going to happen here.

Why do you think there is a massive increase in pushing transgender.

A population of weak and feminised men will not be able to stand up and fight.

I think you need to step away from the internet and get a hobby.

OP posts:
DrJoanAllenby · 29/04/2024 08:51

millymollymoomoo · 29/04/2024 08:34

People who say it wouldn’t happen only have to look to Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria. Look at what life was like there in 1960s etc and you’ll realise if we don’t fight against it it can happen

It's too late, it's going to happen here.

Why do you think there is a massive increase in pushing transgender.

A population of weak and feminised men will not be able to stand up and fight.

ClareBlue · 29/04/2024 08:50

Worked in Dewsbury in public services, been schooled in Bradford have you @AdamRyan
I have. Close family lived in Berlin for years.
Seen issues with the education system in Birmingham. Seem English as a foreign language in areas of London schools and communities, etc etc.
What is rubbish about it from your experiences, @AdamRyan

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:49

Loulou599 · 29/04/2024 08:40

I would never have dreamed I would hear myself say this, 10 years ago it would have been unthinkable for me but: it's getting to the stage where I wouldn't be too upset if the right came into power in our western nations.

Go and read some early 20th century history and give your head a wobble

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:45

ClareBlue · 29/04/2024 08:41

All those saying this is never going to happen and just glibly mock someone for watching Sky news obviously don't live in areas of West Yorkshire or Birmingham or London where who areas of the education system and community have already been completely separated. Whole areas of Berlin are already separated from traditional Christian German culture, if you are actually interested in the facts and not just making fun of someone. If you think Islamic cultural norms align with western values, particularly around women, you are wrong. The OP might have been a bit over the top with the words, but just dismissing them with sneary remarks about the news source is pathetic.
But of course middle class families can call out these views because they don't live in these disconnected areas or educate their children in the schools and keep saying their progressive Liberal views, whilst moving to nice areas with traditional schooling and western values. At least it makes them feel good about themselves.

This is just rubbish

youngerself · 29/04/2024 08:45

ClareBlue · 29/04/2024 08:41

All those saying this is never going to happen and just glibly mock someone for watching Sky news obviously don't live in areas of West Yorkshire or Birmingham or London where who areas of the education system and community have already been completely separated. Whole areas of Berlin are already separated from traditional Christian German culture, if you are actually interested in the facts and not just making fun of someone. If you think Islamic cultural norms align with western values, particularly around women, you are wrong. The OP might have been a bit over the top with the words, but just dismissing them with sneary remarks about the news source is pathetic.
But of course middle class families can call out these views because they don't live in these disconnected areas or educate their children in the schools and keep saying their progressive Liberal views, whilst moving to nice areas with traditional schooling and western values. At least it makes them feel good about themselves.

Yes I agree completely

But I think this thread will be deleted

AdamRyan · 29/04/2024 08:44

1000 people at a protest in Germany, and one of them had a sign. It was an anti-Israel demonstration, so not sure why you think this means they are trying to bring a caliphate to Germany.

YABVVU. I suggest you go and talk to some real life Muslims rather than posting on the Internet. There is a lot of misinformation on this thread.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 29/04/2024 08:44

theduchessofspork · 29/04/2024 08:37

You need to put this in a wider context though, Muslims in Germany suffer a lot of racism.

The world in general - including the rise of the far right in Europe, which fuels this racism - is worrying.

The thinking behind this protest is part of a general breakdown of the post war world, it’s less worrying than many other aspects.

other things are also worrying. Yes, I (obviously) agree.

That doesn’t have an impact on the validity of the issues I mentioned in my original comment.

ClareBlue · 29/04/2024 08:41

All those saying this is never going to happen and just glibly mock someone for watching Sky news obviously don't live in areas of West Yorkshire or Birmingham or London where who areas of the education system and community have already been completely separated. Whole areas of Berlin are already separated from traditional Christian German culture, if you are actually interested in the facts and not just making fun of someone. If you think Islamic cultural norms align with western values, particularly around women, you are wrong. The OP might have been a bit over the top with the words, but just dismissing them with sneary remarks about the news source is pathetic.
But of course middle class families can call out these views because they don't live in these disconnected areas or educate their children in the schools and keep saying their progressive Liberal views, whilst moving to nice areas with traditional schooling and western values. At least it makes them feel good about themselves.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 29/04/2024 08:40

ballytravlr · 29/04/2024 08:32

Well done in giving traction to clickbait!

NZZ, Spiegel, ZDF, Welt and a plethora of German language news outlets (particularly more regional ones) have been reporting about this protest…

this isn’t some made up right wing scenario. It’s actually happening.

MrsCrumPinnett · 29/04/2024 08:40

millymollymoomoo · 29/04/2024 08:34

People who say it wouldn’t happen only have to look to Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria. Look at what life was like there in 1960s etc and you’ll realise if we don’t fight against it it can happen

But those countries were nothing like the mature, stable parliamentary democracies of Western Europe. Can you seriously see a situation (based on what you know of the real world, not clickbaity propaganda) where such groups would reach a position of power where they’d be able to enact their ideas?

We should fight all extremism. But allowing freedom of speech, so that unpalatable opinions and movements get the disinfectant if sunlight is a very important part of democracy. We might hear things which are repugnant, but at least we hear them, so we can fight them.

Loulou599 · 29/04/2024 08:40

I would never have dreamed I would hear myself say this, 10 years ago it would have been unthinkable for me but: it's getting to the stage where I wouldn't be too upset if the right came into power in our western nations.

theduchessofspork · 29/04/2024 08:37

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 29/04/2024 08:34

This is not about a German caliphate being in any way realistic. I am aware that it won’t happen.
you know it, I know it and these protesters most likely do as well.

This is a group of 1’000+ people feeling emboldened to publicly support extremely violent and extremist views that deny the human rights and freedom - or the right to simply exist - to many of us, particularly women, Jews, homosexual people…
Which also suggests that they aren’t particularly worried about facing backlash from friends, colleagues and family.
How is that not worrying? What does it tell us about the environments they live in?
And how would this affect people who are regularly exposed to that (be it due to the neighbourhoods they live in, an educational setting, work etc)?

I understand why one might find this disquieting.
and that is without considering the possibility that some of these protestors may actually turn to terrorism and violent extremism.

You need to put this in a wider context though, Muslims in Germany suffer a lot of racism.

The world in general - including the rise of the far right in Europe, which fuels this racism - is worrying.

The thinking behind this protest is part of a general breakdown of the post war world, it’s less worrying than many other aspects.

Medschoolmum · 29/04/2024 08:36

Primroseoil · 29/04/2024 08:28

I do not want to live in a caliphate, what if that idea spreads over here & more protests take place.

None of us want to live in a caliphate, but what on earth makes you think that this might actually happen, to the point that you feel "petrified" about the prospect?

There have always been people with extreme views on the fringes of society, whether those are Islamic fundamentalists or far right wingers etc. What is it about this group in particular makes you concerned that it might become more mainstream?

Personally, I think the far right is a much bigger threat right now, but even then, I wouldn't say that I was "petrified".

On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely do you think it actually is that Islamists will establish a caliphate in the UK?

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