Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

The point I am making is that a very small group can have a very big impact on a society. Disproportionately so.

Although, I’d should also like to point out that few people thought the Nazis would come to power. They were initially dismissed as a small band of nutters with a fascist bent. (Yes, socialist in name and fascist in nature. A surprisingly common theme in politics).

Totally agree.

Lol...

I mentioned both incels and the Catholic Church in my comment, as I believe extremes of ANY religion is terrifying and concerning, ESPECIALLY when they are above the law/the law is too scared to get involved.

Incels and Catholics can be and are from many cultures, races, ethnicities and socioeconomic groups.

My point was that extremes of ANY kind are bad, and this topic happens to be one of those extremes.

I love how you tried to read racism into it though and assumed you know where I am from and what I look like.

Says a LOT more about you than it does about me.

Because I don't agree with your opinion I'm a right wing conspiracy theorist? Laughable.

@millymollymoomoo the ironic thing is these countries had democracy! Until America etc decided it wasn't and then ruined everything.

Thanks.

It’s not clickbait

we all need to open our eyes to what is happening around us.

and yes countries in the Middle East were not necessarily democracies but were in many sense westernised pre the Iran revolution, the Russia war in Afghanistan etc. women wore western clothes, had rights, were educated etc etc.

these are many groups ( and growing) who are calling for increasingly Islamic lifestyles in this country, and it’s infiltrating schools, work etc. it is worrying.

it can happen anywhere and will if people don’t speak out. Unfortunately any talk is simply shut down with cries of Islamophobia, same as any talk of immigration is shut down with cries of racism, or saying men with penises are women are called transphobic- we appear to have lost any rights to have open, transparent and logical /rational debate. That in itself is deeply concerning and how these things start.

Sure:

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Spiegel
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Frankfurter Allgemeine

Surely these protestors are the far right? Or do you think a Caliphate would be a socialist utopia?

Islamic fundamentalism is about as 'far-right' as you can get.

Why do people throw these phrases around when they have no idea what they mean?

I think you are comparing apples with oranges, though. Or do you think there is a serious chance of a radical Muslim political party being voted into power in Germany?

@ClareBlue do you not think its both though, the more "extremeness" on either side is a vicious cycle as liberal policies imposed by the left push those who are naturally conservative people in the opposite direction - people forget that when we apply our liberal values to allow naturally conservative religious groups to practise their religions without challenge (so for eg.saying its perfectly ok for women to live lives of servitude to men, to have to be fully covered, yes lets celebrate world hijab day in schools) we actually allow medieval religious practises to flourish. Rather than saying, modern Europe allows religious freedom but we also uphold women's rights, that to be gay is protected within law, that we expect to live in the same society of people of all faiths and none, that we expect our populations to uphold western values. Its the type of liberal belief that says people can practise their religions how they choose that is also part of the problem.

I, of course, didn't say that. But that sort of response is to be expected as that's the narrative.

Those asking for links this post might help

You had at least an hour to look for links yourself

So some people can express their opinions, calling for having a caliphate but you write it off as a small number people, nothing to see here folks.

Yet you don’t want a handful of posters to express their opinion about said protest and want MN to close the thread down!

What a joke

Could you post some links, please? Thanks.

Yabu. This isn't going to happen

Also what about it are you terrified of? All governments are awful in my opinion anyway.

I'm Muslim by the way and I'm not looking for a caliphate state. We are actually told in the religion to respect the laws of the country you are in. So please don't paint all Muslims with an extremist brush.

This is exactly the conversation the OP and posters like you want to have.

Regardless of facts. And regardless of how it makes Muslims (and anyone non- White British) feel.

You are being racists, general default position with no evidence.
The evidence is jumping on a thread about a small protest in another country to extrapolate to how Europe is at risk of becoming a caliphate and WW3 will start as a result. Including a bunch of conspiracy theories for good measure.

I don't know why MNHQ are leaving this up, the thread is appalling imo.

Great migration result. Groups who come to a country and then want it to be identical to the one they left.

They also have AfD, Reichsbürger and a green washed government.

It's so ingrained to deflect discussion in this area that people do it without even thinking about it.
So the post is about concern about the call for Caliphate by a small group in Germany. Resonable topic for reasoned duscussion on a forum without involving hatred or bigatorary.
What do we get:
You are a fool for using that news source (it's every news source), swing the discussion to different news sources and if they are bias.
Your emotional response is all wrong. Swing the discussion to if you should be petrified, scared, worried, slightly concerned, not concerned,
You are being racists, general default position with no evidence.
It's only 1100 people, well so we're any radical groups when they start up.
The right wing are worse you should be talking about them (maybe we should, but not on this thread as it's not the topic).
OP now feels terrible and wishes they never started a discussion.
Complete deflection and debate closed. Job done. Move on.

as has already been said by numerous posters, the rise of the far right in Europe is far, far more concerning ( and is a reaction to liberal asylum policies and illegal immigration) - it was one of the reasons I was glad to be out of the EU as its been driving increasing racism amongst the traditionally right wing populations in many EU countries. Nobody ever talks about the asylum seekers living in tents in Dublin for eg., people only ever talk about the UK being racist and anti-immigrant.