Islam groups calling for caliphate in Germany, aibu to be petrified?

I am scared of fox news too

@AdamRyan I actually agree there's a couple of pretty awful anti-Muslim statements on here that need deleting. (There's also some very balanced discussion). But I do find it interesting that this can be called out when some of the same people will quite happily talk over Jews on other threads, lecturing to them what is and isn't antisemitism, while completely ignoring the more blatant Jew-bashing on those threads from other posters. Either call it all out, or don't call it out at all.

@Lottie2shoes Thanks for your detailed and considered post. I found your perspective interesting, especially about the stress it causes seeing people talk about Muslims wanting to take over the world. As someone Jewish, this is so similar to what we deal with, because apparently Jews (often coded as Zionists and globalists) want to control the media and also take over the world. We have so much in common, and it's such a shame a lot of the division is actually caused by non-Muslims/non-Jews.

Extremists of any kind are bad news. They have their own mentality and no one will change that.

Tolerance for all religions in the Middle East, really?https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/59786a0040f0b65dcb00000a/042-Persecution-of-Christians-in-the-Middle-East.pdf

Agree re deletion, not doing it that is. Let the op say how they feel and people respond.

But their calling for because Germany doesn't have one..... terrorism in Germany is extremely low compared to most of Europe & extremism is viewed very poorly because of the Nazism hence why when it happens it's such a shock (christmas market attack/the Olympics ect.)

Germany is an extremely passive country for the most part with a 'history' of extreme backlash (ww1 & ww2) not a highly aggressive you-do-you lets see where it goes sort of place

They want a terrorist group because they dont have one

Also Syria. And Egypt. And Nigeria. And…

Really? I thought you wanted it deleted because you were losing the argument.

Personally, I hope it stays up. I consider myself a liberal. We should live and let live. Be tolerant. Of everything except intolerance.

I’m in favour of free speech whether on Mumsnet or at a march. I think the sunlight on issues is important.

The danger from extreme Islam is at least as great as that from the trans lobby. I'm also not white, by the way.

Of course it won't ever happen.

What recent example is there of a group of fanatical Islamists seizing power and oppressing or killing anyone who doesn't conform to their punitive diktats? Apart from Iran, obviously. And Afghanistan, but that doesn't count for some reason, and it's a long way away so it doesn't matter. For those reasons, progressive liberal politicians are absolved of their shameless silence and inaction about all the girls denied an education and the freedoms we claim for ourselves and our own daughters.

I actually live in the ME in a Muslim country and believe me,they don't want these extremists here either because they're damaging to Islam and extremely damaging to the way of life and the tolerance that exists here for ALL religions.

No,it's full of anti Muslim extremist statements there's a huge difference.

The difference being "legitimate concerns"

I want it deleted because its full of anti-Muslim statements that I find extremely offensive. I'm not MNHQ though, if they don't think its breaking talk guidelines up to them.

Have you actually read them? The tone is very different.

This protest was by a small group, with links to extremists. Germany is considering banning them. The march had a large police presence and if the marchers had broken the law they would have been arrested. There were no arrests.

How you get from that to "I'm petrified of an Islamic Caliphate in Europe" is beyond me.

YANBU. It's funny that this place is so clear sighted when it comes to TRAs crying transphobia in order to shut down women's legitimate concerns, but is happy to cry Islamaphobia in order to do the same thing. MIMS.

You want a thread deleted because it offends your opinions? You want to shut down any discussion that doesn't 100% align with your political ideals? There's a name for that...

There are a small number of extremists in any religion who would like to see their countries run more in accordance with their religious beliefs.

It's not unreasonable to highlight incidents of this.

But also we should keep it in proportion. 1100 people at a protest doesn't mean 1100 people agreeing with the most inflammatory sign there.

@123anotherday yes, I do think there is a danger of people feeling helpless and powerless and moving to support more extreme policies that they wouldn't naturally support. One of the big questions for progressive liberals around migration is how they reconcile the integration of fundamental religious beliefs that are so out of alignment with western social policies in our societies. Their answer so far is to enable communities that can hold these beliefs to operate separately within our society. Again, reference is made to Denmark who have very much recognised the problems this can cause for all concerned.

Didn't say you were. I was just pointing out a different perspective.

Calling for it is nothing like it happening though. I expect some people have always called for it, in all kinds of countries.

Not just Fox then.

Thanks for searching for the links

Are you scared of the fact that Genocide in Palestine is occurring and you could be next?

Think about the situation in Barclay Primary School. The Muslim majority parents are protesting calling for a Muslim head teacher to represent them. So what happens when the increasing Muslim population votes in political representatives that support this. Already there are politicians in hiding and stepping down due to death threats over Gaza. That is how these views reach a position of power. It is very foreseeable.